Sunday 23 December 2018

TL:DR: The Genesis Question part thirty-three

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My printer was on the fritz.  But I've got a new one, so you're getting two weeks' worth of commentaries in one.


14 September 14

Hi Troy & Mia; David & Marie:

Okay, as I read chapter 34 of Ezekiel, as I said last week, it begins with God asserting that the events of chapter 33 WILL come to pass and WHEN they do, the people will know that a prophet -- Ezekiel -- had been among them when it was announced. 

The YHWH is interested in this and so, either prompts God to elaborate on this or -- "off stage" gets the whole thing rehearsed to he/she/it for approval before God announces it to Ezekiel.  Approval, presumably, was forthcoming and it's the YHWH who makes contact with Ezekiel:

And the word of the YHWH came unto me, saying

Son of man, prophecy against the shepherds of Israel, prophecy and say unto them, Thus sayeth the Lord GOD unto the shepherds, Woe to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves:  should not the shepherds feed the flocks?  Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: ye feed not the flock.

Essentially, it's more accurate blame-laying than we saw in Chapter 33 where the blame was being laid at the feet of Israel's "watchman":  you have to warn Pharaoh AND Israel and if you don't, then the buck stops with you and you have to pay the price.  The YHWH is going to require Pharaoh's blood at your hand.  Which is pretty short-sighted as tactics -- let alone strategies -- go.  What if Ezekiel attempts to get to Pharaoh and warn him and is taken captive before he gets there?  Which is presumably what happened. 

The advantage -- as the YHWH would see it -- in this new model is that it recasts human beings as sheep which (I'm guessing) the YHWH would never have seen them as being before but -- as soon as it was presented to he/she/it in that form -- it would have a great deal of appeal. 

The imagination of man's heart isn't necessarily evil from his youth, it's just, well, stupid most of the time.  Like sheep.  They are completely domesticated by the time of Ezekiel and have been for many, many generations.  They need to be cared for every minute of every day or they die because they're so stupid.  So the blame shifts to:  Who is in charge of these sheep?  Who isn't feeding them and isn't caring for them? 

It's a reasonably long list but also a short list:  Israel's political and religious leaders.  Leaders are shepherds and it's their job to make sure that ALL of the sheep are fed.
It's simplistic, of course.  Human beings aren't literally sheep -- human beings are capable of thought and choice though lot of them ARE stupid, a lot of them CHOOSE TO BE stupid and a lot of them CHOOSE TO BE evil (a very different thing from BEING stupid and BEING evil). You will never eliminate that and you will never make sure that everyone is fed to the extent that everyone wants to be fed. But, it's certainly a more fruitful way of looking at the situation than laying all of the blame at Ezekiel's feet because he didn't get to Pharaoh and he didn't warn everyone in Israel and not everyone listened to him.

The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which is broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.

It's interesting, because while it's a more accurate way of viewing Israel as a collective of human beings it's also an indictment of the YHWH's brand of theology which definitely militated against the diseased and the sick which were excluded from the literal flocks as being unsuitable for ritual Temple sacrifice.  And presumably this extended into the collective viewpoint that "diseased" and "sick" were synonymous with "evil".  To say the least, the YHWH is not inculpable in this: if anyone has been an inadequate shepherd to Israel -- ruling the Hebrew people "with force and with cruelty" -- the YHWH is a prime suspect.  But, because the metaphorical construct is new, it allows the YHWH to evade responsibility and lay the blame at the feet of those who are the most "shepherd-like", structurally, in the context of Israel being viewed as a giant sheepfold.  "That which was driven away" prefigures the core of the next Chapter -- the expulsion of man, but not woman or womankind, from the Garden of Eden.  But that's for next week.

And they were scattered because no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. 

My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek.

And as I read it, God stops there.  And leaves it up to the YHWH as to whether or not to continue.  Which the YHWH does:

Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the YHWH.

Another prompt to God:  given that the YHWH concurs in the metaphorical assessment of the sheep/shepherds model that God has suggested, what do the shepherds need to be told? 

As I live saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey and my flock became meat to every beast of the field because no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock:

Basically, the YHWH gives God a big "amen" to that one:

Therefore, O ye shepherds hear the word of the YHWH.

So God continues:

Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I against the shepherds and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock, neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more: for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. 

This is the "adjusted requirement" provision:  instead of requiring the blood of Pharaoh and his people at the hand of the watchman, Ezekiel, God will require the blood of the "flock" -- Israel -- at the hand of the shepherds, the political and religious leaders who have been feathering their own nests and -- strengthening the metaphor -- devouring the flock like beasts of prey.

For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, I will both search my sheep and seek them out. 

According to the seeking a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered: so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places, where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 

And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold and a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.

I will feed my flock and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.

At the time, it must have seemed -- to the YHWH, to Ezekiel, to Israel -- an impossible dream.  They could see the reality of "the cloudy and dark day", but how do you get from HERE to THERE?   

I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong, I will feed them with judgement.

It didn't APPEAR to add up.  "The fat and the strong" ARE the shepherds, aren't they?  Without the "fat and the strong" how can you "seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick"?  God anticipates the question:

And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold I judge between small cattle and lambs and kids between the rams and the great he-goats.

The promised judgement is more wide-ranging than people had been used to to that point.  Wealth and strength are not implicitly good -- you are wealthy and strong because God favours you, being the populist theory.  That isn't the actual basis for belonging to God's flock, to being one of God's lost, driven away, broken or sick sheep.  Having established that He will judge "like" with "like" -- small cattle and lambs and kids will be judged relative to other small cattle and lambs and kids, and rams and great he-goats will be judged relative to to other rams and great he-goats -- God begins with the "downside" of the "fat and the strong" -- addressing them directly -- in his metaphorical "flock" sense:

Seemeth it a small thing unto you, to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures?  And to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?

And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them, Behold I, I will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. 

Because ye have thrust with the side and with shoulder and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad:

Therefore will I save my flock and they shall no more be a prey and I will judge between cattle and cattle.

It's possible that the YHWH, at this point, was beginning to wonder if this was being directed at he/she/it.  Which, as I read it, yes it was.  It came as no surprise to God, I don't think, that the YHWH-directed faith ended up driving away God's flock.  It was just a matter of continuing in that vein until the time of Ezekiel when the results of the implicit brutality of the YHWH were self-evident and even the YHWH could see that something needed to be done.  But God also knows that there is a sure way of keeping the YHWH "on board" -- which, as I read it, is the underlying purpose of the Book of Ezekiel, unanimity between God and the YHWH:  invoking and personalizing the single individual that the YHWH has always regarded as the apex of the otherwise worthless ranks of human beings:

And I will set up one shepherd over them and he shall feed them, my servant David: he shall feed them and he shall be their shepherd. 

It works a charm (as God knew it would):

And I the YHWH will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them, I the YHWH have spoken.

And I will make with them a covenant of peace and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.

Which rather misses the point:  changing the metaphorical "evil beasts" -- the self-aggrandizing "shepherds" of Israel as constituted -- back into literal "evil beasts", not in the cities, but in the wilderness. 

But, metaphorically, it's still sustainable as far as I can see as a God/YHWH consensus.  The important metaphorical element is the "covenant of peace" with God's "flock".  Even though I'm pretty sure that the YHWH's imperfect understanding has more to do with scapegoating -- "it's all the fault of those fat, strong, evil shepherds" -- than with accurate understanding, God, I think, makes sensible allowances: the "evil beasts", "the land", "the wilderness" and "the woods" and "sleep" can be regarded as metaphors yet to be addressed and clarified: 

And I will make them and the places around my hill a blessing and I will cause the shower to come down in his season:  there shall be showers of blessing.

God's medium:  water.  The absence of which, drought, indicates Divine disfavour. Whether the passage originates with God or the YHWH, it is a consensus view: "showers of blessing" will be a sign that God's flock has been restored.   

And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit and earth shall yield her increase and they shall be safe in their land and shall know that I, the YHWH, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.

This is typical of the YHWH.  Trees are masculine, metaphors of God.  As it says in Genesis 1:11 "the fruit tree yielding fruit after HIS kind, whose seed in IT self". The tree isn't "of the field" (i.e. "of the YHWH").  The earth is identified as female ("her increase").  Both are attempted provocations, as I read it -- "deal breakers" -- how can God agree with notional female trees?  "Increase" originating with the YHWH?  Crediting the YHWH with breaking "the bands of their yoke"?  when the bands originated with the YHWH in the first place? 

God, significantly, says nothing.  The YHWH has no idea that all of this will be dealt with by the advent of the Shepherd, the Johannine Jesus, the literal incarnation of who David was a prototype for AND that the YHWH will have his/her/its own version:  the Synoptic Jesus, a literal descendant of King David. 

And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beasts of the land devour them: but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make afraid.

And I will raise up for them a plant of renown and they shall be no more taken away with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.

Thus shall they know that I, the YHWH their god with them

To which God appends only:

and that they, the house of Israel, my people, saith the Lord GOD.

And then adds, by way of correction to the YHWH's gender inversions:

And ye, my flock of my pasture, men, I, your God, saith the Lord GOD.

It's John the Baptist who tells two of his disciples, "Behold the Lamb of God" and points out the Johannine Jesus.  This, to me, is God's Shepherd Construct: sheep are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, they need guidance.  And, obviously, even among sheep, lambs need even more guidance.  A lamb is capable of just wandering off somewhere on its own with no thought or awareness of imminent danger.  That has to be learned through experience and observation.  The younger the lamb, the less experience and observation it has to go on. 

In this, I see God's point as being:  If the Johannine Jesus ISN'T the Jewish meschiach (and God, I think, isn't saying one way or the other) he is the long-promised Shepherd of Ezekiel's prophecies.  This is the Shepherd who will guide, by his teachings, God's flock back from the wilderness where they have been driven and fled and wandered. But while the Johannine Jesus is the Shepherd, he is also God's Lamb.  HE needs to be guided and sheltered and coached and directed every step of the way of his entire life because even he, the Shepherd, has the same limited perceptions and awarenesses that a lamb has -- relative to a sheep and a sheep has relative to a Shepherd -- relative to God.   

Lengthy digression:

As I read it, the fullest hatching out of this Shepherd Construct takes place in John's Gospel chapters 9-10, beginning with the "man blind out of birth". 

And questioned him the disciples of him saying, Rabbi, who sinned, this or the parents of him, in order that blind he should be generated?

There you have the YHWH philosophy extant at that time and which we see being adjusted in Ezekiel 34:  the strong and the wealthy are blessed by God.  Why?  Because they're strong and wealthy. Someone born blind has obviously sinned and is being punished.  Or his parents sinned.  Which is it? The Lamb of God is directed SPECIFICALLY what to say about this:

Neither this sinned nor the parents of him, but in order that might be manifested the works of the God in him.

Realizing that this is just too obscure an observation for observant Jews to take in -- although it's pretty clear, to me, what he's saying: blindness in and of itself isn't necessarily a punishment, everything is an incarnation of God with different means of expressing itself -- he attempts to qualify it. 

To me, this must have been a lot of the experience of being the Lamb of God.  What he was saying/told to say made perfect sense to him.  Of course it did!  It was imparted to him, directly, by God or by some entity delegated to the task by God.  But he could also see when he was telling someone something how it was that they were taking it.  And in this case:

Us it is necessary to be working the works of the ____ having sent me until day is;

This is an "us" work -- this is "of God' s flock".  I wouldn't be doing this if you hadn't asked me about the blind man.  That was your "work" -- posing the question.  I'm an expression of God jut as you are an expression of God.  We are both "works".  Having this discussion with you is one of God's "works". 

But this kind of work that I'm about to do, God's work, but performed at your unwitting behest, can only take place in this historical moment.  These kinds of works are coming to an end.  A new day will dawn soon when I won't be here as I am now. 

Then he looks further out, with God's assistance to His Lamb:

is coming night when no one is able to be working.

I think he would say these things because that was what he was here to do: to enunciate truth.  He would just say what he was told to say and then he, himself, would wonder at it, because he understood it and saw how everything fit together.  And then look at the disciples and see nothing but question marks over their heads.  And he would try to find another way of saying the same thing that they would understand:

Whenever in the world I may be, light I am of the world. 

As I read it, it's an even more profound enunciation of the truth that he has just enunciated as it references "the world" which, of course, is the physical incarnation of the YHWH.  I doubt that it did anything for the question marks over the disciples heads -- either increased them or decreased them -- but it did kick the imminent work into a much higher classification. He was not only there to "illuminate" them, as both the Shepherd and the Lamb of God, he was there to illuminate the YHWH, the earth his/her/itself.

These having said, he spat on the ground and he made clay out of the spittle and he put upon of him the clay and upon the eyes, and he said to him, Be going under, wash yourself into the pool of the Siloam which is, being translated, Having been sent forth.

See, first he invokes the YHWH -- "whenever IN THE WORLD I may be, light I am OF THE WORLD".  IN and OF.  And then spits on the ground, on YHWH -- which must have come as quite a surprise!  Nothing exceptional about the ground that he spat on -- and only the YHWH would have known that -- but mixed with the spittle of the "Having been sent forth" (metaphorically, God's spittle), it makes a miraculous clay.  SO miraculous that it's able to heal the eyes of someone who was born blind. 

That can't be overstated:  specifically, I think, it's intended to contrast with the Synoptic Jesus -- who is credited with healing the blind, but never specifically someone who was BORN blind.  There are all kinds of blindness:  hysterical blindness, feigned blindness, dim vision, etc.  You don't need to be Jesus to be a faith healer.  Most people, properly channeled, can heal themselves of their infirmities because most of them are the ones who have made themselves sick. 

This is one of the Johannine Jesus' few miracles.  His miracles were few but they were monumental.  

But it has its drawbacks, as all miracles tend to:

The therefore neighbours and the beholding him the former that beggar he was were saying, Not this is the ____ sitting and begging?  Others were saying that This is; others were saying No, but like to him he is.  That ___ was saying that I am.

"I am" is the Divine declaration, as we have seen.  The Exodus revelation to Moshe -- "I am that I am" -- allows for the inferred inclusion of the YHWH, both God and YHWH are "I am"s in that context.  So the blind man is, in the context of the work, blaspheming.  He isn't "I am".  But, then, arguably, neither is the Johannine Jesus.  Only God is actually "I am" but this is a "work of God".  The Johannine Jesus is a "work of God", his spittle mingled with the earth is a "work of God" with its miraculous properties.  The pool of Siloam is a "work of God", it's very name meaning "Having been sent forth".  Arguably this was what the pool of Siloam was created for, this "work of God".  It was "sent forth" perhaps thousands of years earlier in God's full awareness of what it was to be used for and by whom it was to be used.  Everyone in the context of the story is "lamb-like" being herded in a direction they don't really understand.

This leads to a lengthy confrontation between the formerly blind man and the religious authorities which prefigures Jesus' own trial before the Sanhedrin.  The upshot of which is that the formerly blind man is expelled from the Temple more for the WAY he answered the authorities than for WHAT it was that he was saying to them. 

And they threw out him outside.  Heard Jesus that they threw him out outside, and having found him, he said You are believing into the son of the man? 

The "son of man" is a Synoptic Jesus self-identifier as the "lamb of God" is a Johannine Jesus self-identifier.  This suggests to me that this is the Synoptic Jesus -- aware of the great miracle that was done by the Johannine Jesus, healing a blind man who had been blind from his birth -- opportunistically (or, more accurately, at the opportunistic behest of the YHWH) seeking to supplant the Johannine Jesus with himself.  And being successful.  The previously blind man didn't really "register" who it was that healed him of his blindness.  He wouldn't recognize him "on sight":

Answered that and he said, And who is he, lord, in order that I should believe into him?  Said to him the ____ (Jesus) And you have seen him and the ___ speaking with you, that ____ is.

The ___ (however ____) said I am believing, lord, and he did obeisance to him. 

See, that's not something that someone "having been sent forth" by God would allow.  You only do obeisance to God if you're a monotheist.  But it's a tactical master stroke by the YHWH, getting the "I am" formerly blind man to bow down to his own proxy, the Synoptic Jesus. 

Chapter 10 verses 1-18  is the Johannine Jesus reacting to the news that his great miracle has been co-opted by the Synoptic Jesus and asserting his own bona fides as the Shepherd of Ezekiel 34 and denouncing the Synoptic Jesus:

Amen amen I am saying to you the ___ not entering through the door into the fold of the sheep but going up from another place that thief is and plunderer. The __ (however ____) entering through the door shepherd is of the sheep.

It shows the difficulty in being "the Lamb of God".  How do you explain what "the door" is?  You experience it and know it because that's who you are, but how do you EXPLAIN the difference? 

To this the doorkeeper is opening and the sheep the voice of him is hearing and the own sheep he is sounding for according to name and he is leading out them.  Whenever the own all he should thrust out, in front of them he is going, and the sheep to him is following, because they have known the voice of him; to stranger however not not they will follow but they will flee from him, because not they have known of the strangers the voice.

John himself says:

This the comparison said to them the ____ (Jesus); those _____s (however, ____s) not knew what was which he was speaking to them.

The Johannine Jesus tries again, opting for personalization (which he often did, self-identifying as, among other things, "the light", "the bread" and "the door").  "The doorkeeper" didn't strike quite the accurate note he had been trying for.  The blind man did obeisance to the Synoptic Jesus, so didn't that make HIM the doorkeeper?

Said therefore again the ____ (Jesus), Amen amen I am saying to you, I am the door of the sheep.

It's more succinct and more specific:   

All as many came before me thieves are and plunderers; but not heard of them the sheep. 

This is, presumably, accurate but dangerous territory since, arguably, it includes all of the Jewish prophets to that point who have been "thieves and plunderers" on behalf of the YHWH.  The Johannine Jesus is, I infer, the first who represents God exclusively.  Sensing the danger in the faces of his listeners, the Johannine Jesus retreats to the earlier assertion:

I am the door; through me if ever anyone should enter he will be saved and he will go in and he will go out and pasturage he will find. 

And then ventures into the same dangerous territory.  It needs to be said:

The thief not is coming if not in order that he might thieve and he might slay and he might destroy;

You would have to have been a devotee and a keenly observant devotee to see and accept what he was saying.  You would have to have known that HE had healed the man blind from birth and the Synoptic Jesus had come later and induced the same fellow to do obeisance to him.  You would have had to have not doubted that knowledge and you would have had to have drawn a profoundly negative inference from what the Synoptic Jesus had done.  That's a very tall order.

 I came in order that life they may have and abundant they may have.  I am the shepherd the fine; the shepherd the fine the soul of him is putting over the sheep;

This would have been reassuring to his long-time listeners.  Less reassuring would have been:

the hireling and not being shepherd of whom not is the sheep own, he is beholding the wolf coming and he is letting go off the sheep and he is fleeing -- and the wolf is snatching them and is scattering -- because hireling he is and not it is mattering to him about the sheep. 

Even if you, as a keenly observant devotee, knew, okay, the Johannine Jesus performed the miracle and the Synoptic Jesus is taking credit for it. The impulse would be "What's the difference?  They're both messengers sent by God, aren't they? Think of all the healing the Synoptic Jesus has done!"  It's a major drawback to being God's first ever "God exclusive" messenger being experienced by people who universally believe God and YHWH to be the same being.

Wisely, the Johannine Jesus limits himself to self-description and avoids discussing the Synoptic Jesus entirely.  Those who instinctively know the difference respond to that simple truth being enunciated in a variety of ways:

I am the shepherd the fine, and I am knowing the mine and are knowing me the mine, according as is knowing me the Father and I am knowing the Father, and the soul of me I am putting over the sheep.  And other sheep I am having which is not out of the fold this; and those it is necessary me to lead, and of the voice of me they will hear, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.  Through this me the Father is loving because I am putting the soul of me, in order that again I should receive it.  No one lifted up it from me, but I am putting it from myself.  Authority I am having to put it and authority I am having again to receive it; this the commandment I received beside of the Father of me.

Not surprisingly:

Split again occurred in the Jews through the words these.  Were saying ___ (however many out of them) Demon he is having and he is mad; why of him you are hearing? 

These would be the YHWHists, characteristically inverting who was demon-possessed and who wasn't.  The genuinely Godly knew exactly what he was saying, that he was speaking specifically to them and they were able to hear him in a way the others couldn't:

Others were saying These the sayings not is of being demonized; not demon is able of blind ____s eyes to open?

Best,
  
Dave


Next Time: Merry Christmas, Everybody! (What'd ya get me?)

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

Another Sunday, another nonsensical screed that serves only to further demonstrate Sim's complete break from reality...even as he claims that he is describing reality accurately. Of course, he goes farther than that. According to him, he is not only describing reality accurately ("as he sees it"), this is a continuation of Sim's presentation of "the Unified Theory which Einstein spent his intellectual life pursuing". Absurd, to say the least.

The silence of the Cerebus fans here speaks volumes. Let's just pretend Sim isn't obviously senile or hasn't lost touch with reality. We'll let these posts pass by without comment hoping they end eventually. On the contrary, I hope these posts continue every Sunday for as long as Sim and this blog are around. Let the record speak for itself. If anyone in the future is interested in learning more about Cerebus (a dubious proposition at best at this point) they can see exactly when and how it all went so very, very wrong and that nobody said anything about it. The faithful Cerebites just pretended it wasn't happening and said nothing. For shame.

Coming up next, invective and personal insults at the individual pointing out the fact that Sim has lost the plot. Cries to out the heretic But, under no circumstances, clear refutation and denunciation of this obvious madness.

Tony Dunlop said...

You're reading WAAAAY too much into the lack of commentary here. For myself, I don't say much about these posts because I don't see any point in reading them. I've got much better uses for my rather limited leisure time. Dave's idiosyncratic views on Biblical religion take nothing away from his mastery of the comics art form and his encyclopedic knowledge of the medium. Hopefully you can at least agree to *that.*

If you don't admire Dave's accomplishments in Cerebus, why are you even visiting this site?

This is also the last time I respond, in any way, to an anonymous post.

Tony again said...

I'm not violating my vow here, as I'm technically still responding to the first ost!

O Nameless One, please note that this is the thirty-third entry in this series. If you go back and read the comments for many of the previous thirty-two, you'll find plenty of criticism; both specific fallacies pointed out, as well as general "he's gone off the deep end" invective of the sort of which you seem so fond.

So I can safely say, as a matter of actual fact and not of ad hominem criticism, that you are objectively wrong.

Nyah, nyah.

Now go away, or start leaving at least A Fake Name.

Guess said...

"first post." Oh for an edit feature.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: "If anyone in the future is interested in learning more about Cerebus (a dubious proposition at best at this point)..."

----I don't think any of us knows how Cerebus will be perceived in the future but if nothing else, at a base level the artistry of both Sim and Gerhard is worthy of study, the techniques they used and the ambition displayed could still inspire readers of the future.

Dig around and substitute any creator with some kind of terrible behavior in their past and there's still those who find merit in the work separate from their actions. As the first example that comes to mind, people love the Beatles even though reportedly John Lennon abused his wife; just because people disagree with (some of?) Dave's views or think he's 'out there' doesn't mean the work won't survive or that people won't find enjoyment within. But who knows?

I respect what he's done for other creators and his honesty. The easiest thing would've been to keep Cerebus to a more traditional structure, keep his thoughts on women to himself and it would've been a much beloved comic.

I'm glad the Bible commentaries are being posted.

Merry Christmas to you all.

A Fake Name