tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post3557632506818923129..comments2024-03-28T21:17:45.398-05:00Comments on A MOMENT OF CEREBUS: TL:DW, Please Hold For Dave Sim 1/3/2019: the TranscriptA Moment Of Cerebushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02718525538144698138noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-53451779175405507972019-01-25T11:55:33.846-06:002019-01-25T11:55:33.846-06:00(Mostly) right there whitcha, Mike. "Guys&quo...(Mostly) right there whitcha, Mike. "Guys" is brilliant; "Rick's Story" is hard to read but seminal; "F&V" is interesting literary criticism; as is "Going Home", which includes, perhaps, the most poignant scene in the entire series; "Latter Daies" runs the gamut from hilarious to repugnant to poignant; and, "The Last Day" was the capstone to a promise made twenty-some years earlier.<br /><br />My only caveat in agreeing whitcha, Mike, is this: "High Society" is the best of the bunch.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-27295143466108103962019-01-23T20:12:25.981-06:002019-01-23T20:12:25.981-06:00The first issue I bought was #25, "This Woman...The first issue I bought was #25, "This Woman, This Thing", at the age of 13, and immediately set out to buy all the previous issues in whatever capacity I could. I then stuck with it all the way until the end and beyond. I'm one of the rare (only?) fans who think the final third is (easily) the strongest material. Slumbering Agarthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11926670297818515972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-22824827797705283812019-01-21T04:12:08.314-06:002019-01-21T04:12:08.314-06:00Okay, M., that's a freighted comment, knowing ...Okay, M., that's a freighted comment, knowing you as I (sorta) do: You've commented (humorously, at times, but generically) about "ex'es", but this one seems destined to be delved into. (So to speak.)<br /><br />What, and when, did something in "Reads" cause an ex to "pressure" you?<br /><br />Now, having asked that (somewhat facetiously), could it have had something to do with a back-of-the-book essay (relatively late in "Reads") that led to the overall castigation of Mr. Sim by (pretty much) the entire (at the time, and [nearly still today] comic book field [I mean, his peers]?)<br /><br />Enquiring minds are asking.<br /><br />Plus, knowing you in the limited degree to which I do, I find it fascinating when you talk about your comic-book relationships. You and Lenny, for example, are quite the unmatched pair--two of my top-ten favorite people! And, you two, together, tag-teaming me (verbally, only, people! [I mean, come on! Really!?!] was a very considerate gesture.) So, good on yer both, forever.<br /><br />Sorry I brought it up, but it had to be said and, then, I guess, will be swept under the rug, especially since Lenny almost never reads these things. 🙄Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-19993151393152118332019-01-20T08:36:25.639-06:002019-01-20T08:36:25.639-06:00I started with Jaka's Story #1 and stopped som...I started with Jaka's Story #1 and stopped sometime in Reads (had a letter in #175). . .Because of the pressure from now an ex. I picked back up in Guys (had another letter in #211). Went back and read what I had missed. Stayed until issue #300 and after. Margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04070671522440242311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-65953934917644110312019-01-20T05:16:02.432-06:002019-01-20T05:16:02.432-06:00My first issue was #65; I discussed this at some l...My first issue was #65; I discussed this at some length <a href="http://momentofcerebus.blogspot.com/2014/01/cerebus-in-my-life-barry-deutsch.html" rel="nofollow">in this post.</a><br /><br />And I very much agree that there's good material in the second half; Guys and Going Home are particular favorites of mine.Barry Deutschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08796981762797604817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-7945379086799267752019-01-20T00:28:35.089-06:002019-01-20T00:28:35.089-06:00Tony, you are correct, sir. #114 is the one I gav...Tony, you are correct, sir. #114 is the one I gave away. I've recently almost bit on issues 2 and 3 online, but everyone always wants waaaaay too much for graded and slabbed #1. And, I won't buy a #1 if it's not graded and slabbed. I keep forgetting to check on #s 14 and 114 online...<br /><br />Isn't anyone else gonna play the "when did you start/when did you stop" game? I started during the Wolveroach run, took a brief hiatus during Jaka's Story, and then stayed through #300 and beyond.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-34615929404223659502019-01-19T09:20:48.774-06:002019-01-19T09:20:48.774-06:00Jeff, I think you mean 114 ("Jaka's Story...Jeff, I think you mean 114 ("Jaka's Story" #1, right?); 112-113 was the wordless (except the last page IIRC) combined issue.<br />My first new issue was 37, by the way; Petuniacon. First appearance of Filgate.Tony one more timenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-69804554828065972572019-01-18T22:14:06.169-06:002019-01-18T22:14:06.169-06:00I didn't come on board until after the series ...I didn't come on board until after the series had ended. I'd heard of it, but I didn't *know* about it until I was going down a TV Tropes rabbit hole and landed on "Cerebus Syndrome."Seth Manhammernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-28444508160414994952019-01-18T08:04:16.378-06:002019-01-18T08:04:16.378-06:00First new issue I bought was 17. The store had iss...First new issue I bought was 17. The store had issues as far back as 13 on the shelf, so I bought those ones as well. I have one or two earlier issues but never did fill in the early part of the run, as I also got the Swords volumes. In fact, I may have picked up Swords volume 1 before Cerebus 17, I don't remember. I do recall that my interest was piqued by the good reviews I had been seeing--in CBG certainly, maybe in TCJ as well. The CBG strips may have already run or been running by the time 17 came out, as well--again, I don't remember. But I did see those also, though sadly all those old CBG issues are long gone.<br /><br />For quite some time, Cerebus was my favourite comic to read, and I did indeed stick with it until the end. However, had the finish line not been in sight, I would unquestionably have spit the bit out during the Cerebexegesis.Dominick Gracenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-56357634422004881782019-01-18T04:52:25.844-06:002019-01-18T04:52:25.844-06:00Okay, we've done this before, but, since there...Okay, we've done this before, but, since there are so many "newbies" out there: At what issue number did you begin buying "Cerebus", and, did you stay until the end?<br /><br />I will confess, during "Jaka's Story", I dropped out. "Text?!?," I says. "Text?!?"<br /><br />But, I went back to "Cerebus", bought the back issues (although, I am in need of 1, 2, 3, 14, 113) to have an almost complete run. (Last summer, I gave away my signed copy of 113--it's just a too beautiful cover, that should be shared.)<br /><br />My point is, when did you start and when did you stop?Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-5980847473517296802019-01-17T17:25:00.974-06:002019-01-17T17:25:00.974-06:00@Tony
You are correct.
#70 was my first issue.@Tony<br /><br />You are correct.<br /><br />#70 was my first issue.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15375459484639179890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-25629962373783191082019-01-17T14:58:04.123-06:002019-01-17T14:58:04.123-06:00Gotta hand it to them; it was pretty cool getting ...Gotta hand it to them; it was pretty cool getting a new <i>Cerebus</i> every three weeks until they got caught up!Tony againnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-28991542278329404252019-01-17T13:50:01.156-06:002019-01-17T13:50:01.156-06:00Tony,
Right, it's even mentioned as much in t...Tony,<br /><br />Right, it's even mentioned as much in the letter pages and Notes from the President in that era (and one of the reasons they did so many issues in a row leading up to issue 100). The release schedule of each issue has been an interest of mine. I managed to dig up Diamond release dates for most of the series from Mothers & Daughters on up (March 10, 2004 was the date listed for issue 300's release, for instance). If I was ever to access the Cerebus Archives, it's probably the info I would most search for.JLHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474358395266834356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-70981703126972396062019-01-17T13:19:45.961-06:002019-01-17T13:19:45.961-06:00"...(it was always on time, thanks, Dave)...&..."...(it was always on time, thanks, Dave)..."<br /><br />This means you joined well into C&S; they were...several...months behind at one point.Tony Dunlopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-26989114528691671932019-01-17T11:24:09.942-06:002019-01-17T11:24:09.942-06:00I think almost every fan/supported of Cerebus has ...I think almost every fan/supported of Cerebus has some degree of ideological/philosophical disagreement with Dave Sim. I'd say it's the rule, not the exception.Dominick Gracenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-89298938658475442412019-01-17T10:37:20.446-06:002019-01-17T10:37:20.446-06:00Glen ... as a fan ... supporter ...customer ... of...Glen ... as a fan ... supporter ...customer ... of Mr. Sim, I can unequivocally say that I have ... um, maybe not philosophically ... but definitely wholeheartedly disagreed with some, not many, of Sim's opinions over the years.<br /><br />He, seemingly, delights (or, at least, gets some laughs and giggles) out of being a thorn in the side of not only his detractors, but his supporters, as well. I know this, well, from extended experience.<br /><br />As to your question, Glen, I would say, "Yes!". I have (hi!, Damian!) disagreed with Dave many times, but still appreciate the achievement. But, NO, we are NOT all part of "the Marxist/Feminist Conspiracy". Some of us, Gail included, have brains.<br /><br />As an aside, Glen, I don't think that "the book" ("Cerebus") became "unreadable in the second half" (as you wrote). "Guys" is, in my opinion, the funniest book in the series (arguably, funnier than "High Society", although the latter was funnier for more months). "Latter Daies" is the most poignant. And, "The Last Day", as I remarked at the time to Dave, is remarkably reminiscent of Moses' (from, you know, the Torah and the Bible and [perhaps, {dunno, haven't read it} the Koran]) last day, before he was transfigured.<br /><br />Despite what several regulars here (Hi!, Damian!) think of me, I am and have been a regular critic of Sim. That my criticism has been more positive than negative, over the years, is a testament to his intrinsic value to his field. <br /><br />I think that, when you actually know somone personally (as in, have spent time with them in person), then it is incumbent upon you to be honest in your assessment of that person's character and worth.<br /><br />Sim, regardless of his admitted social transgressions that occurred in the late 70's, 80's, and early 90's, is an honorable person. Did he whoop it up and commit WAAAY too many sins, back in the day? "Yes," he admits. BUT, he has repented, and is very close to having spent the second half of his life repenting for his transgressions that he committed in the first half.<br /><br />That, is honorable.<br /><br />As he professes, "I'm close, now, to having paid my penance." (My paraphrase.) And, as he may have said (I don't recall), that is not enough.<br /><br />And, lest you think that paying his penance was burdensome, Dave gladly, and (as he saw it) dutifully, did it.<br />So, yes, Glen, there are fans (supporters, a term Dave prefers) who disagree with him, but who still support him.<br /><br />Dave and I have had many conversations during which we didn't quite see eye-to-eye, but we always left on very good terms.<br /><br />Well, except for those two six-month-long breaks from correspondence. But, hey, everybody needs a break from the daily grind every week or so, right?<br /><br />As to your comment that the book ("Cerebus") was "always on time"; no, it wasn't *always* so. But, mostly. And, when it failed to be on time, DaveNGer worked waaaaay overtime to get it back on schedule.<br /><br />No matter how comics people want to, wish to, try to, denigrate Dave Sim, one thing remains.<br /><br />Six thousand+ pages, 26 years, 300 issues; laugh-yer-ass-off funny; try not to let your girlfriend/wife see your tears; waiting every month for the only comic you're going to buy that month (because, comparably, all the rest are crap); BEST independent comic book, ever.<br /><br />BEST comic book ever? Hmm. Now we get goin'.<br /><br />Shall we?<br /><br /><br />Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-50292899674328013392019-01-17T07:34:19.007-06:002019-01-17T07:34:19.007-06:00Gail does a much better job of articulating my fe...Gail does a much better job of articulating my feelings of being a Cerebus fan in her post. <br />As a teenager I loved Cerebuss because it was unlike any comic being done at the time. I was bored with super hero comics & Cerebus was a breath of fresh air. The art, stories, lettering, covers, Notes to the President, and the comment section were always interesting. Every month (it was always on time, thanks, Dave) I looked forward to a new issue (and the smell). But the book became unreadable in the 2nd half & I fell off as a fan. It wasn't Dave's belief system that caused it although it is Coocoo for Cocoa Puffs. Comparing giving women the right to vote is the equivalent of allowing cats to vote is a reality I'm not familiar with. <br />The art remained staggeringly beautiful as the book went on & even the letters page & editorials were fascinating. I just didn't connect with it anymore. It was too dense & incomprehensible.<br />Aa a middle aged man I've collected the phone books, cover treasury book, supported most of the Archive Portfolios, and even the last birthday card Kickstarter.<br />I don't have an answer to this so I hope someone who keeps track of this stuff might. Has Dave ever acknowledged that their might be fans who disagree with him philosophically but can still be supporters of his art? I just said I was.<br /><br />Or are we all part of the Marxist Feminist conspiracy?Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15375459484639179890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-68584399685713658592019-01-17T00:39:22.199-06:002019-01-17T00:39:22.199-06:00Hi Gail
It would probably be very helpful and su...Hi Gail <br /><br />It would probably be very helpful and supportive if you could tweet a link and recommendation to your followers about the CerebusDownloads website at www.cerebusdownloads.com, where people can purchase digital copies of all the trades (or whichever ones you feel are the best ones).<br /><br />Thanks!Eddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11831826350149920878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-35455921972196376012019-01-16T23:12:48.566-06:002019-01-16T23:12:48.566-06:00Gail Simone, if you would like, you may spread the...Gail Simone, if you would like, you may spread the rumor around the Internet that Matt has a tattoo of your choosing.<br /><br />For no other reason than *I* would find it amusing. Seth Manhammernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-37317933215436235082019-01-16T22:31:00.026-06:002019-01-16T22:31:00.026-06:00And yikes, my apologies for the typos, was writing...And yikes, my apologies for the typos, was writing in haste.Gail simonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-39311996957517560382019-01-16T22:01:12.719-06:002019-01-16T22:01:12.719-06:00Thank you for the clarification and kind words, Ma...Thank you for the clarification and kind words, Matt. <br /><br />It is, in that case, entirely possible Dave was not aware of my positive comments posted here. Still, I did tell him when he was doing that ‘tour,’ what a fan I had been. Still, there’s no reason why he should necessarily remember my comments regarding my long-time love of Cerebus after all these years.<br /><br />Eh, I say file the whole thing undermisunderstand, except I have no idea where that tattoo thing came from, I spoke with Marsha about it, she seemed unsure as well.<br /><br />But there was definitely a time I would have punched an orphan to get one of those stuffed Cerebus plushies.<br /><br />A MEAN orphan, anyway.<br /><br />Thanks for the hospitality, and have a great night.<br /><br />Gail Simonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-14178730863540991062019-01-16T19:35:16.868-06:002019-01-16T19:35:16.868-06:00"The one constant in my experiences with Dave..."The one constant in my experiences with Dave is that he insists on re-defining reality to meet his worldview."<br /><br />LOL! That pretty much sums it up!<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-71652029553874300692019-01-16T19:33:20.598-06:002019-01-16T19:33:20.598-06:00Hi, Everybody!..in the comments section,
Steve: Y...Hi, Everybody!..in the comments section,<br /><br />Steve: You're welcome? I guess. <br /><br />Jeff: You're welcome too. Uh...yeah. If you wanna record them I'm sure SOMEBODY would wanna listen.<br /><br />Seth: Nuh-uh buddy you get back here! Okay the password for the gmail is...hey come back! You're taking this blog, and you're taking it RIGHT NOW!!!<br /><br />Anonymous: Yeah, I started to take them out, but I was listening to the audio at the same time, and just decided Jesse did all this hard work, and it didn't "read along" right without them. By "Please Hold" #88, we'll have this down.<br /><br />Hi Gail! (Sorry to be so informal, but I'm not sure which Formal nomenclature you'd prefer: Ms./ Miss/ Mz./ Mrs./ Her Most Divine Grace, Protectoress of the Realm, Defender of the Faithful, and Destroyer of the Wicked/ Etc.) Couple of things: 1, As it says at the top of the Blog, I'm not Dave Sim. And neither was Tim W. (who ran the joint up until November 14th of 2017,). So, any gushing things you said that have been run on the Blog were there because of Tim (I don't THINK I've run anything you've said, but it's been a long year...). While, Dave has stopped by occasionally and commented on things, I don't think he has since I took over, I don't know if he's seen those posts. Dave's involvement with AMOC is pretty one-way. 2, I'll send this up to Dave, and see what he's got to say. Thanks for stopping by! (I assume that somebody on the Twitters let you know about this post, so if Dave has a response, I'll post something here to let you know.)<br /><br />Seth again: Yeah, I've liked all of Gail's stuff I've read over the years as well.<br /><br />Gail again: Again, thanks for stopping by.<br /><br />Matt Dow<br />Interim Editor<br />A Moment of CerebusMouse Skull Entertainmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05844784361859568863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-15644383307160487932019-01-16T15:18:15.396-06:002019-01-16T15:18:15.396-06:00Noted, Anonymous. I do get better as I go along, a...Noted, Anonymous. I do get better as I go along, as you'll see in the remaining transcriptions of the earlier PHfDS entries. I didn't know how literal a record was wanted.JLHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474358395266834356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-26325181192270096142019-01-16T14:45:28.002-06:002019-01-16T14:45:28.002-06:00Thank you, Seth, that is very kind. :)Thank you, Seth, that is very kind. :)Gail Simonenoreply@blogger.com