tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post8203797273678346514..comments2024-03-28T21:17:45.398-05:00Comments on A MOMENT OF CEREBUS: SDOAR UpdatesA Moment Of Cerebushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02718525538144698138noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-60248289776603436552017-02-15T20:19:20.514-06:002017-02-15T20:19:20.514-06:00Unfortunately the show close Jan 30th.
I think th...Unfortunately the show close Jan 30th.<br /><br />I think the truly foolish move was wearing long sleeved shirts to the drawing board! I have designated "inking" t-shirts and shorts so I can wipe my ruler and brush on them, pick junk out of the nibs with them, etc. Those old school cats are always pictured dressed for a day at the office, which cracks me up. Carson Grubaughhttp://hodtech.net/comics.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-44872687055182496112017-02-15T15:10:03.296-06:002017-02-15T15:10:03.296-06:00Wow! That is VERY impressive.
(Something similar...Wow! That is VERY impressive. <br /><br />(Something similar happened to me once, and I screamed the f word at the top of my lungs about 20 times in a row while doing an angry stomp dance around the room.)Barry Deutschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08796981762797604817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-47816436030582750502017-02-15T12:52:34.832-06:002017-02-15T12:52:34.832-06:00Carson - If the exhibit is still on, it might be i...Carson - If the exhibit is still on, it might be interesting to go and see if the faces are done in the same ink -- and same darkness of ink -- as the backgrounds and figures. I know that Russ Heath was George Wunder's assistant for a while and I recently saw a scan of an original that was obviously mostly Heath: jet black, perfect. Everything Heath did was perfect. And then these really washed out brown George Wunder faces. Wunder favoured the diluted ink theory: that it spread more easily.<br /><br />I've told this story before, but it's a great story:<br /><br />Russ told me that Wunder used to have a PAN of India ink so he could just turn and dip his pen or brush anywhere in the pan without having to focus on where the mouth of the bottle is (which is an interesting concept: how many man hours did I spend looking for the mouth of the bottle and then focussing on where the ink level was). <br /><br />Of course, that bit Wunder on the a** the time he was almost finished a Sunday page and turned around to talk to Russ and turned back and his sleeve went through the ink pan and all the way across the Sunday page. Russ was very impressed because Wunder just said, "Damn." once, tore the page in half and started over. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502294606395720342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-85406337031949005982017-02-15T03:13:00.939-06:002017-02-15T03:13:00.939-06:00I don't know how much Trudeau still does the r...I don't know how much Trudeau still does the repetition in Doonesbury (for the past few years, he's had reruns in the dailies and only does a Sunday strip, and doesn't really do it there), but I know I've read before that he has someone else doing most/all of the inking for him, and has since the early '80s, since his first major sabbatical.<br /><br />Ah, right from the Wikipedia that the kids all like:<br /><br />"Doonesbury is written and pencilled by Garry Trudeau, then inked and lettered by an assistant: Don Carlton[3] then Todd Pound. Sunday strips are colored in by George Corsillo.[4] A daily strip through most of its existence, since February 2014, Doonesbury has run repeat strips Monday through Saturday, and new strips on Sunday."<br /><br />So, impressive, but not quite as much as what Carson did here.Travis Pelkienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-85673169790701084972017-02-14T16:51:29.266-06:002017-02-14T16:51:29.266-06:00I DO NOT BELIEVE DAVE SIM IS A MISOGYNIST (I still...I DO NOT BELIEVE DAVE SIM IS A MISOGYNIST (I still misspell "misogynist seven times out of ten.) Misosoupist however? One can only speculate.<br /><br />Ahh, gotcha! It was the same type of ink all over as far as I could tell.<br /><br />I went in order through the panels, mostly. Whatever page got the last mark I would jump back to the first panel and make a new mark, so the starting point continually rotated between the first panels of the two different pages. <br /><br />Not sure what jumping around would afford other than an increased chance of smudging wet ink. I guess that would force the palm off the paper and add another level of unnecessary difficulty. Soooo, howzabout, no thanks! Ha-ha.Carson Grubaughhttp://hodtech.net/comics.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-51955016535125101122017-02-14T12:33:13.985-06:002017-02-14T12:33:13.985-06:00Would it have made sense to jump around on the pan...Would it have made sense to jump around on the panels? Or did you always go #1 to #15? That would have been strange, I think, "setting yourself" on random play. <br /><br />Yes, my point was that you might have been looking at two different brands of ink: Caniff's and the "inker/background guy's". I can't really picture telling an "inker/background guy" what ink to use. You use the ink that you're the most comfortable with, right? It would be like me telling you "No you have to use the Super Black because that's what the rest of SDOAR is done in." <br /><br />Paper, that's different. You're going to have to use the paper that Caniff uses because Caniff has to work on it.<br /><br />There's a real untold history on that. As far as I know, Gerhard is the only credited background guy in comics history. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502294606395720342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-38097983942071388062017-02-14T00:23:59.781-06:002017-02-14T00:23:59.781-06:00Also, I did stat the pencils. Only the inks were a...Also, I did stat the pencils. Only the inks were actually done over and over. I am not THAT crazy/stupid. Only KINDA.Carson Grubaughhttp://hodtech.net/comics.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-84164888785817622962017-02-13T23:55:50.599-06:002017-02-13T23:55:50.599-06:00I guess I should do the I DO NOT BELIEVE DAVE SIM ...I guess I should do the I DO NOT BELIEVE DAVE SIM IS A MISOGYNIST thing? I do mean the words, too. Curious, what led to that?<br /><br />Thank you Dave, that is a crazy compliment coming from you. I know Garry Trudeau does this in Doonesbury. He will re-draw the same still shot of the White House over and over, which is more crazy, too me, because he has deadlines I sure do not.<br /><br />I don't know if there is much to document about my thought process except for the lack of thought process? At least while drawing. Just put on some music and draw. <br /><br />On this set I took a really weird approach where I isolated a single mark, or a limited set of marks to make. I repeated that mark, or set of marks, in all fifteen panels, and then moved on to a new mark or set of marks. This would not have been bad if all of the panels were on one page. Constantly flipping between two boards ate up time and killed the flow a bit.<br /><br />The idea was to get all zen-calligraphy about it, trying to get each mark more distilled to its essence with each repetition. Not surprisingly it was usually the first mark that was the most focused, and the fifteenth being lazy and over-confident. Not sure which is better. I think I prefer the immediacy of the first response.<br /><br />The hatching was just hatching. Same task in any panel. <br /><br />On the next set I think I will try finishing a panel at a time.<br /><br />As for the inks on the Caniffs, I was talking about the material quality of the ink itself. It was obviously not India Ink and looked a lot like the Sumi Ink I have been using, which I find much easier to make small lines with. That you were getting teeny tiny lines with the wetter India Ink only makes your technique even more impressive.Carson Grubaughhttp://hodtech.net/comics.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-88218205769299925352017-02-13T14:05:14.742-06:002017-02-13T14:05:14.742-06:00I remember being impressed/bewildered whenever Che...I remember being impressed/bewildered whenever Chester Brown did a similar thing in a lot of his comics(esp. Louis Riel, redrawing the same characters/backgrounds in many continuing panels with little or no discernible difference(why not just 'copy and paste'?!)but in a much more minimalist/cartoony style than what you've achieved here, Carson. How you had the patience (and time) to get this done is both impressive and, well, not bewildering, but... incredible! Kudos.Lee Thackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06674011430761589511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-56009678630963716612017-02-13T12:29:47.934-06:002017-02-13T12:29:47.934-06:00Unless you can, Tom Sawyer-like, make it sound lik...Unless you can, Tom Sawyer-like, make it sound like TOO MUCH FUN!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502294606395720342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-47730594930183087592017-02-13T12:27:59.351-06:002017-02-13T12:27:59.351-06:00Carson - When you're looking at the inks on Mi...Carson - When you're looking at the inks on Milt Caniff originals, you're looking at two artists: Caniff and his "backgrounds and everything else" guy (who, at one point, if I recall correctly was one of Norman Rockwell's relatives). Caniff would rough in the strips and then get them lettered and then the "everything else" guy would ink everything except the hands and faces which Caniff would do. <br /><br />[This was one of the unspoken areas of friction, I infer, with Alex Raymond: that Raymond always did all of his own work except for VERY occasional bits and pieces and filling in solid black by Ray Burns. While Caniff always had an "everything else" guy from a very early stage on TERRY AND THE PIRATES. Coupled with the fact that Raymond was far more realistic than Caniff could ever hope to be, it really stuck in his craw, I think]<br /><br />I'm not in charge of who gets to be a Comic Book Legend, but you definitely get my vote, actually drawing and inking all of those repeating panels individually! As I say, not even Al Williamson on "The Success Story" did that -- and that was only three panels! Definitely document what you're doing and the thought processes that go into it: because you're the only one who has ever "been there". Or ever will "be there". <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502294606395720342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-86033971091122397432017-02-13T10:03:45.343-06:002017-02-13T10:03:45.343-06:00Michael,
Wow. Thank you so much! That is the absol...Michael,<br />Wow. Thank you so much! That is the absolute highest praise I could hope for as an artist.Carson Grubaughhttp://hodtech.net/comics.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-66987230154242831392017-02-13T09:42:25.723-06:002017-02-13T09:42:25.723-06:00Carson,
I hope I'm well heeled when the tim...Carson,<br /> I hope I'm well heeled when the time comes for you to sell some of these pages. Beyond the admiration for the work itself, some of these pages have generated within me that inexplicable feeling in which genuine pleasure is felt at their mere viewing. Something akin to but more than, "Wow!" Something slack-jawed.<br />--- Michael Huntcrazyyearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056228438538869055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-24843012872152837592017-02-12T11:01:13.922-06:002017-02-12T11:01:13.922-06:00Jeff,
In his notes for the page Dave said somethi...Jeff,<br /><br />In his notes for the page Dave said something along the lines of, "You should probably just stat these, but doing them all by hand sure would make a nice, saleable, piece of art, but you should probably just stat them." <br /><br />Maybe it is because I have spent the last 10+ years making things meant to hang on walls, but I like the idea that each page is a saleable, frame-ready, piece of art.<br /><br />So, no real good reason beyond foolish pride.Carson Grubaughhttp://hodtech.net/comics.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-80481625087044300162017-02-12T04:48:19.683-06:002017-02-12T04:48:19.683-06:00Yeah, I took a much closer look at the eleven pane...Yeah, I took a much closer look at the eleven panels in the store and I see lots of differences: the door, the shading on the objects above the door, the letters in the EXIT sign, some of the white part on her jeans and especially the stripes on her shirt. I'm sure to your eye there are many more...Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-32033039174991665202017-02-12T04:39:06.596-06:002017-02-12T04:39:06.596-06:00I think you and Dave may have touched on this once...I think you and Dave may have touched on this once before, Carson, but why aren't you copying and pasting these essentially identical images?<br /><br />Nice background lines. Very pretty.Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-10640010037068232822017-02-12T02:51:36.082-06:002017-02-12T02:51:36.082-06:00Very nice Carson! Excellent! 'nuff said.Very nice Carson! Excellent! 'nuff said. al roneynoreply@blogger.com