tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post8435958556999205782..comments2024-03-28T21:17:45.398-05:00Comments on A MOMENT OF CEREBUS: TL:DW, Please Hold For Dave Sim 12-6-2018 the transcriptA Moment Of Cerebushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02718525538144698138noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-25251441265944315202019-02-20T08:42:52.911-06:002019-02-20T08:42:52.911-06:00Geez, Damian. I thought Canadians were so polite. ...Geez, Damian. I thought Canadians were so polite. (insert cutsey smiley face)Tony Dunlopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-73500788869441581802019-02-19T22:05:05.595-06:002019-02-19T22:05:05.595-06:00Matt: Dave's the goalie, with his claim that &...Matt: Dave's the goalie, with his claim that "everybody hated Todd". I questioned that, pointing out that "they were welcomed like rockstars". You then moved the goalposts by redefining Dave's statement to be "they were looked on like lunatics". That's not what I was replying to. As I pointed out, the claims "Everybody hated Todd" and "Fans thought the Image guys were lunatics" are not equivalent.<br /><br />Then you try to muddle the two different statements together by saying, "But for a short time, there was a vocal 'those guys are nuts and I hate 'em!' mentality among Marvelites." It's this last part that demonstrates that you're not reading and thinking poorly (forgivable), but being deliberately dishonest. Shame on you!<br /><br />On another topic, I'm also appalled by your opinion that a creator needs to give a publisher a "by your leave" to quit a book. I am confident that Dave would side with me over you here, as it was he who inserted the "freedom of mobility" clause into the <i>Creators' Bill of Rights</i>. If I were being charitable towards you, I might infer that you were speaking in the voice of outraged Marvelites (who are not "everybody"), but your conduct does not incline me to be charitable towards you.<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Damian T. Lloyd, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15423589734839129158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-32634450085084389322019-02-19T19:57:09.252-06:002019-02-19T19:57:09.252-06:00So... I "moved the goalposts"? How the h...So... I "moved the goalposts"? How the hell does *that* work?<br /><br />You asked a question, I answered it. I then offered supplemental evidence.<br /><br />*I* didn't change anything.<br /><br />Part of the definition *You* provided says, "Moving the goalposts is an informal fallacy in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded".<br /><br />I'm pretty sure I'm not the goalie here...<br /><br />MattMouse Skull Entertainmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05844784361859568863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-62178434486779059012019-02-19T19:10:57.392-06:002019-02-19T19:10:57.392-06:00Matt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goa...Matt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Damian T. Lloyd, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15423589734839129158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-16042616446406348192019-02-19T18:14:40.337-06:002019-02-19T18:14:40.337-06:00Um, okay...
What goalposts?
You say that a lot. ...Um, okay...<br /><br />What goalposts?<br /><br />You say that a lot. You should explain what "game" YOU are playing, so the rest of us know.<br /><br />Todd and the gang were GIVEN brand new books by Marvel, and then they threw them away and quit. Without so much as a "by your leave". Fans thought they were nuts. Fans thought they were stupid. And fans were upset that they weren't drawing Spider-Man or the X-Men or X-Force or what have you. Fans hate that kind of stuff. Just like they hated it when Kirby went to DC.<br /><br />Fans got over it. And Todd and the gang got rich.<br /><br />But for a short time, there was a vocal "those guys are nuts and I hate 'em!" mentality among Marvelites.<br /><br />Just out of curiosity, are you professionally pedantic, or are you a REALLY enthusiastic amateur?<br /><br />MattMouse Skull Entertainmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05844784361859568863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-60658172117003290472019-02-19T16:43:01.890-06:002019-02-19T16:43:01.890-06:00And whoosh! go the goalposts! -- from "everyb...And whoosh! go the goalposts! -- from "everybody hated them" to "everybody thought they were lunatics". But those are not the same things.<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Damian T. Lloyd, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15423589734839129158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-88331851434796079912019-02-19T16:27:27.901-06:002019-02-19T16:27:27.901-06:00Damian,
I mean in the months between when they qu...Damian,<br /><br />I mean in the months between when they quit Marvel, up until their books hit stands.<br /><br />There was a period there, where Todd and the gang we're looked on like lunatics for quitting Marvel at the height of their popularity there.<br /><br />Once Image got rolling, that passed, but it did happen.<br /><br />MattMouse Skull Entertainmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05844784361859568863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-45110637003959968392019-02-19T16:13:25.918-06:002019-02-19T16:13:25.918-06:00Matt: Thanks! I knew most of that (though I never ...Matt: Thanks! I knew most of that (though I never read <i>Wizard</i>, because why would I?). I do not think the second sentence of your second paragraph jibes with the historical record. The Image guys were welcomed like rockstars, and only later (with the chronic lateness) was there a backlash.<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Damian T. Lloyd, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15423589734839129158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-42983978689617764982019-02-19T01:02:32.347-06:002019-02-19T01:02:32.347-06:00Damian,
I honestly can't remember if it was a...Damian,<br /><br />I honestly can't remember if it was an old Warren Ellis column or not, but the quote was: "the opinion was Todd McFarlane only knew 200 words, and half of them were 'fuck'."<br /><br />There was also the feud with Peter David. Most of the Image guys were up against a fan backlash when Image first formed, because fans wanted them drawing for Marvel. <br /><br />Then as Image became more popular, Todd took the heat for Spawn being late, and the whole issue 19 and 20 debacle.<br /><br />Todd also got a lot of crap for his "Everyone's Got Opinions" columns in Wizard.<br /><br />MattMouse Skull Entertainmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05844784361859568863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-19330686992374144412019-02-18T22:48:33.153-06:002019-02-18T22:48:33.153-06:00Curious to know who this "everybody" is ...Curious to know who this "everybody" is in the "everybody hated Todd McFarlane back in the early 1990s". Everybody in Marvel management?<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Damian T. Lloyd, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15423589734839129158noreply@blogger.com