tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post2829153043888528901..comments2024-03-28T05:23:01.707-05:00Comments on A MOMENT OF CEREBUS: "2001"? "Signatures"?A Moment Of Cerebushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02718525538144698138noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-30459287719684325032017-04-12T11:55:55.895-05:002017-04-12T11:55:55.895-05:00what can we say of Dave Sim? A wonderfully splene...what can we say of Dave Sim? A wonderfully splenetic thinker-satirist undone by his own gristmill? The most sophisticated and profuse of independent comic makers whose art is often displaced by digressive textual screeds? An authority on Islam and women? (haw haw) I'm no Cerebus scholar. I cherry-pick the periods in its great unfurling that appeal to me most, and I love the development of his cartooning style. The division of labor he arranged with Gerhard to bring an imperial engravers aesthetic as backdrop to his clean figuration which have the emphasis and economy of the golden age of animation. the last time i bought an issue of Cerebus off the rack was probably 1989... so what do I know? <br /> <br />Back in 1981, it must have been, my brother labored over a pencil sketch of the aardvark and brought it down to Mile High Comics in Boulder for a visiting young Sim to sign. Dave was still looking like a hippy, before he fashioned his cokey 80's look of white sport jackets and gaping chest v-neck t-shirts. He was friendly and supportive. My brother wrote a caption which read: "Cerebus knows the likeness is terrible, Just Sign!" Dave, bless 'im, drew a little Cerebus in the corner with the note "It's not that bad." Good days. Dave's a giant.Kirk Nachmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03166276704512053376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-27226061302991542892017-04-11T14:41:01.587-05:002017-04-11T14:41:01.587-05:00Well, for once, I actually agree with what Damian ...Well, for once, I actually agree with what Damian had to say. The latter part anyway. I think Dave doing a presentation on photorealistic cartooning would be a huge draw. I'd even pay for it.<br /><br />Erick, I meant Lieberman as in Spiderman.Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-79286473361852725492017-04-10T22:29:41.067-05:002017-04-10T22:29:41.067-05:00Claude F.: I think you've hit the nail on the ...Claude F.: I think you've hit the nail on the head in asking Dave, "What do you want to do?" We want Dave to go to conventions and talk about comics and sign our comics. Dave wants to sit alone in his room and read the Bible over and over and pray, but he sees a duty of obligation to <i>Cerebus</i> the work to be its chief archivist and cheerleader.<br /><br />That implies that he will undertake certain duties in preserving and promoting <i>Cerebus</i>. And he has an interest also in promoting <i>SDoAR</i> and building interest and anticipation for that. Does that include things like convention appearances? Under what circumstances?<br /><br />I can't agree with Jeff S. that Dave is still a "name". To the extent that he is, his name is mud. He's not a draw for attendance, the way Mr. Presents or The Shat are. If he demands the same first-class treatment they get, he'll just look like Nora Desmond. Nobody's going to attack him, so he doesn't need security guards.<br /><br />If Dave wants to do something useful with a convention appearance, he might sit on a panel -- or create his own presentation -- on the great photo-realist comics artists. That's an under-appreciated aspect in the current cartooning audience, and is interesting on its own terms; there's a lot of fans out there right now who appreciate art that they don't know the lineage of. And it would be self-serving as well: creating interest in a style that <i>SDoAR</i> is about. With all his research, his recreations, his microscopic examinations of Raymond's of Caniff's brush-strokes ... What fan of cartooning wou0ldn't want to attend such a presentation?<br /><br />So maybe Dave should think of convention appearances more actively -- not a passive autograph machine, but an active and engaging presenter.<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Damian T. Lloyd, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15423589734839129158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-5391102676421338742017-04-10T22:17:59.556-05:002017-04-10T22:17:59.556-05:00Jeff, his last name is Lieber, not LibermanJeff, his last name is Lieber, not LibermanEricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-32956138335524687082017-04-10T19:07:39.672-05:002017-04-10T19:07:39.672-05:00I liked it better when all we had to do was slip a...I liked it better when all we had to do was slip a sheet of paper under his hand, yell, "TREE SKETCH," take it back once he's done, and go on our merry way.<br /><br />Stan Lee and Bill Shatner sell their autographs, which is why interaction is minimal. They want to maximize revenue.<br /><br />What does Dave (What do you, Dave) want to do? <br /><br />Do you want to spend time with fans for the sake of spending time with fans? If so, do whatever feels comfortable to you, whether that means something close to home (like an event in Kitchener) or an appearance at a store or convention. It seemed like SPACE offered a consistently enjoyable experience for all involved.<br /><br />Are you looking to drive sales through public appearances? If so, I remember you questioning the cost in terms of time and money. Have situations changed? Is it now worth the expense? <br /><br />Is signing going to be damaging to your hand?<br /><br />If fans want to ask questions or hang out while you're at the con, what would you do?<br /><br />For the fellow fans reading this: I was fortunate enough to see Dave at three signings. Every time, it was fun for me, but he always looked like he wanted to go home. <br /><br />I'd greatly enjoy hanging out with him again, but given the distinct lack of enthusiasm on his part in his post, I'd just as soon consider my name on the petition to be a simple statement of appreciation and respect, rather than a contract that expects him to pay me back by coming to a convention in Washington state and autographing my stuff. <br /><br />If he is going to feel put out, I'd much rather he stay home and do what gives him fulfillment. <br /><br />--Claude Flowers<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-26354005031750985372017-04-10T17:49:30.159-05:002017-04-10T17:49:30.159-05:00I'll pay for the taxi rides.I'll pay for the taxi rides.Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-21801265339835118672017-04-10T17:47:16.578-05:002017-04-10T17:47:16.578-05:00I don't think that Dave is conflating himself ...I don't think that Dave is conflating himself with Lieberman, Lucas, or Shatner by demanding (asking?) for some level of protection to be provided by any particular convention.<br />I think, but don't know, that most established convention organizers do their level best to accommodate the needs of their vendors. Certainly, at least, the "name" ones. And, I do believe that Dave is still a "name" one.<br /><br />Asking for a set-aside room for an after-show get-together, with security, is a wee bit over the top. Whatever happened to going to a Sausage Haus-type place and standing out front for an hour and a half with your most dedicated supporters (readers), while waiting to be seated, talking about Cerebus? Except, now, talking about SDOAR?<br /><br />Does Dave want to ever appear at a con again? Hmm. I'm six years younger than him and I absolutely abhor travel (except by train). Being there is fun--getting there and back is awful. So, if we never see him again, I can't blame him.<br /><br />But, I'm betting we will see that old contrarian again. C'mon Dave, do it again! If only for us old SPACERs!<br /><br />Just get the local organizer to recommend a good vegan/meat combo restaurant in whatever city, and Bob's yer uncle.Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-33193707665602623552017-04-10T15:47:18.306-05:002017-04-10T15:47:18.306-05:00Only thing I'd point out is that the whole mes...Only thing I'd point out is that the whole messaging with 'micro-aggressions' and 'safe spaces' doesn't apply to conventions, unless the convention happens to be taking place on a college campus. And far from driving down traffic to Dave's table, it would make for a pretty canny bit of anti-marketing (in the spirit of people going out of their way to check something out that they know would irk them, much in the way I approach message boards).<br /><br />That having been said, well, it's pretty clear that Dave doesn't really want to do a convention ever again, so maybe we should just leave it at that. Too much difficulty in getting him there on the part of the organizer, too much of a compromise of Dave's principles to change any of his demands.Dave Koppermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09292071349686573917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-60039829097869595752017-04-09T17:09:51.472-05:002017-04-09T17:09:51.472-05:00So what Dave is saying is that he won't be mak...So what Dave is saying is that he won't be making any convention appearances. Too bad; I'd love to see him on a panel discussing "Great Photo-Realist Comics Artists" or something.<br /><br />But "The Stan Lee model holds." Huh: Stan Lee, George Lucas, William Shatner, Dave Sim. One of these things is not like the other. Dave, you're not that big a star. As Steve said, "Stan Lee and a small group of other guests are in a rarefied field of importance within the comic / media con circuit. Dave doesn't fit that bill."<br /><br />And that's fine. Dave has secured a place in comics history, and if it's a more minor place than he feels he deserves -- well, them's the breaks, kid. Demanding first-class-star treatment is unlikely to play well.<br /><br />If Dave wants to arrange some kind of after-hours get together, that would seem to be his business. Why is it the convention's duty?<br /><br />"Feminist theocracy" is still good for a grin, though.<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Damian T. Lloyd, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15423589734839129158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-48827906546642442652017-04-09T15:14:58.501-05:002017-04-09T15:14:58.501-05:00In case anyone is wondering, I had to cull more na...In case anyone is wondering, I had to cull more names from the petition. People are signing with their first name only. At one point I could lock it so they had to give certain information, but iPetitions changed their website so many times, and now it doesn't lock it like it used to. If there is only a first name, or an initial for the first name, i.e. "John" or "J. Smith", I will delete those signatures. <br /><br />Dave has requested people use their full first and last name, and if those are not both of the 'signature', then that 'signature' will be deleted. I used to be able to contact people via email, but since the website doesn't force them to put that down either, I can no longer do that.<br /><br />So currently it sits at 1,997 signatures. Please sign full first and last name so I don't have to give this kind of news. Thanks.Margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04070671522440242311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-839627973039250532017-04-08T19:36:40.736-05:002017-04-08T19:36:40.736-05:00Seriously... who didn't see this coming?Seriously... who didn't see this coming? John Melmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-9182202317323926512017-04-08T18:41:51.355-05:002017-04-08T18:41:51.355-05:00I think, more than anything, Dave would find that ...<br />I think, more than anything, Dave would find that the Good Ship Cerebus has sailed off into the sunset.<br /><br />And consequently there wouldn't be too many people of any particular stripe visiting his table.<br /><br />It seems reasonable to me to believe that Cerebus sailed off not due to Marxist / feminist / theocracy issues, but the series ended decades ago, after a long and lingering decline. <br /><br />Comic fans are a generation or two past Cerebus now, and the vast majority don't care about the series, why it's significant, and why it and Dave are ... subject to scrutiny from some quarters. <br /><br />The great majority of today's con attendees have no more interest in Neal Adams, as an example, than in Dave Sim. To most of the fans, it's a name attached (at best) to a vague idea of comics done 'back then'.<br /><br />And given the contract clauses Dave is indicating in his post here, and that a con organizer has to weigh cost vs. return on investment for any paid guest, it'd be a difficult situation to warrant scheduling his attendance. <br /><br />Stan Lee and a small group of other guests are in a rarefied field of importance within the comic / media con circuit. Dave doesn't fit that bill.<br /><br />And really, posting signs with "Not a feminist safe space" is little more than looking for trouble. Most people don't know who Dave is, don't care what his views are, and would walk right on past his table.<br /><br />That said, I'd sure be there with plenty of stuff to sign, some stuff to send off to CGC, typical fan things to do. And I'd certainly introduce him to my family, and if he's up to it, have him over for a home cooked New Mexican meal.<br /><br />Because I believe Dave is a gentlemen when shown the civility and courtesy any of us would want to receive. <br /><br />SteveStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06324364972414451992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-46694458878417568432017-04-08T15:42:20.970-05:002017-04-08T15:42:20.970-05:00You forgot to mention the armor plated limo stocke...You forgot to mention the armor plated limo stocked with M&M's but minus the green ones. And ten cans of Sprite.Ericknoreply@blogger.com