tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post4831313360354836600..comments2024-03-28T05:23:01.707-05:00Comments on A MOMENT OF CEREBUS: Jeff Seiler: Dave Sim & MeA Moment Of Cerebushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02718525538144698138noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-51507743626278185402016-03-08T00:38:14.193-06:002016-03-08T00:38:14.193-06:00Jeff, I did not call you a liar any more than I mo...Jeff, I did not call you a liar any more than I mocked Charles Krauthammer for being disabled. You're so eager to be offended by me, that you don't even read what I say.<br /><br />In 2005, Dave advised you to lie to get what you want from other people: "If you want to get laid and telling them that you’re celibate works, well, hey, go nuts". In 2016, Dave said, "the only <i>ethical</i> way to live is to <i>stay away from them</i> and definitely <i>do not have sex with them</i>." I characterized this as, "Dave has changed his mind since this letter and would no longer advise Jeff to lie to people to get what he wants out of them. That's an improvement, ethically speaking." I didn't address your conduct at all; only Dave's.<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-79997396534118275352016-03-06T17:36:06.641-06:002016-03-06T17:36:06.641-06:00Yeah, Travis, I didn't make a copy of it, but ...Yeah, Travis, I didn't make a copy of it, but at the time, I was teaching at Brookhaven College, so I probably picked it up there. And, having taught about critical thinking many times, I agree with Dave that going sequentially from points A to B to C to D, in order, does not always constitute critical thinking. The mind is a complex and complicated organism. Just ask David Gelernter, a Yale professor and author of "The Tides of Mind: Uncovering the Spectrum of Consciousness". Good (effective) critical thinking employs the mind in multiple ways, not the least of which is what Gelernter calls "down-spectrum consciousness". Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-4197077921756117712016-03-06T14:27:49.001-06:002016-03-06T14:27:49.001-06:00Oh, and if the "critical thinking brochure&qu...Oh, and if the "critical thinking brochure" was what I suspect it was - a product of some academic committee and/or "educational services" vendor - then it was almost certainly a mixture of pseudointellectual gobbletygook and banal platitudes, and I don't blame Dave for not wasting his time on it.Tony againnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-69672763770900354982016-03-06T05:01:27.671-06:002016-03-06T05:01:27.671-06:00*shivers* Get me the brain bleach! I don't wa...*shivers* Get me the brain bleach! I don't want to think about what was under the skirt! (curls up in corner in fetal position, weeping quietly)<br /><br />Heh.<br /><br />Mostly wanted to chime and request that Tim keep the comments, as that comment of his went up while I was typing my other comment. Even when Jeff ... overreacts ... I think the comments section here is one of the better ones on the internet (along with my pals over at Comics Should Be Good). Heck, even the NPR comments sections get ugly fast. While we've had some dustups here and there, overall we're adults and conduct ourselves accordingly. Doesn't mean we can't have fun and tease each other, of course. <br /><br />Also, it's fun to be able to interact with Dave when he comments, especially since this is about the only place he comes online. Travis Pelkienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-77951707542559450822016-03-06T03:57:43.956-06:002016-03-06T03:57:43.956-06:00Never as Carmen, Travis, although you'd be ama...Never as Carmen, Travis, although you'd be amazed how many times I got my butt squeezed by women of all ages, as well as how many of them wanted to see what was under the skirt.<br /><br />Okay, from now on, I will let Dave fight his own battles with Damian, or anyone else.<br /><br />I certainly don't want to be the cause of Tim shutting down the comments part of this site (although why I would be the cause, instead of... "Ut! That's enough out of you there!").<br /><br />And, for the record, I have almost never gone to bars to try to hook up. I go and have gone either to listen to live music, to sing karaoke, and/or to watch the game and drink beer. And to socialize in with co-workers in groups, back before I retired. Women, to me, are an aside in bars. Honestly.Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-85685179827506328922016-03-06T02:51:48.138-06:002016-03-06T02:51:48.138-06:00To be fair to Jeff, this one IS a bit of a snarky ...To be fair to Jeff, this one IS a bit of a snarky one from Damian. However, I'm of the view that there's nothing wrong with some snark in a comment. <br /><br />I also don't quite agree with Dave and Jeff's view that they have to respond to anyone posting anything negative, or it looks bad (or whatever their viewpoint is, that seems to be what it boils down to). If a number of people start to pile on with the same denigrating (in your POV) comments, sure, take them to task. But it really starts to seem laughable when you get all worked up over Damian. I think we're all adults here, and we can, if we disagree with him or if he's saying something negative that we don't agree with, collectively roll our eyes and say, "that's Damian again". When you (and Dave) feel the need to match him point for point, well, things start to get ridiculous. In my view.<br /><br />And Jeff, if you're referring to last week's letter that you posted, I didn't read his comment as Damian calling you a liar. What he was saying, as I recall, was that the advice Dave gave you in the letter, to not tell women that you planned to be celibate, was unethical (and that Dave made it less unethical by further walking it back here in 2016 by saying not to associate with women period if you plan to be celibate). I believe it'd be classified as a "sin by omission" rather than "commission", but if you followed Dave's advice and didn't tell women that you were committed to celibacy, well, you weren't being wholly truthful, right? I wouldn't go so far, myself, to therefore classify you as a liar. There are all sorts of things we don't come out and tell people that we come in contact with in our lives. I don't think being 100% truthful is something anyone is able to do (or necessarily OUGHT to do). However, if you were going into situations (bars and stuff) where the main objective is to "hook up", as the kids say, and you didn't establish early on that you were not going to be doing the horizontal mambo with the lady in question, in that situation you were being somewhat unethical. In my view. Doesn't make you a bad guy, though, Jeff, and I wouldn't classify you as a liar. And I don't think that Damian was, either.<br /><br />Anyway, I've seen you dressed as Carmen Miranda, Jeff. Was celibacy REALLY that hard to commit to? ;)Travis Pelkienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-14162921755908262632016-03-06T02:50:06.492-06:002016-03-06T02:50:06.492-06:00Jeff,
Last time I looked, having a snarky or denig...Jeff,<br />Last time I looked, having a snarky or denigrating attitude isn't against the site's comments policy.<br />I'm resisting the urge to turn off the comments feature on AMOC, but you're pushing me closer in that direction almost on a daily basis.<br />TimA Moment Of Cerebushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02718525538144698138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-85720692207931056192016-03-06T00:00:50.066-06:002016-03-06T00:00:50.066-06:00Well, Tim, Dave said ignoring someone, anyone, isn...Well, Tim, Dave said ignoring someone, anyone, isn't a good idea, but Damian's post above doesn't rise to the level of alerting Dave. It's just snarky. Damian could, routinely, post his views and opinions without being snarky or denigrating and he, very rarely, does so. I think he could and should, if he wished to (though he clearly doesn't), be non-snarky and undenigrating all of the time.<br /><br />Oh, and yes, he has resorted to calling me names. He called me a liar.Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-88474404256148389422016-03-05T23:48:14.999-06:002016-03-05T23:48:14.999-06:00Jeff,
I'm going to sound like a mother here b...Jeff, <br />I'm going to sound like a mother here but...<br />I don't understand why you let yourself get so wound up by Damien. He is entitled to his views and doesn't resort to calling you names. Why not just tackle the specific points that he raises instead.<br />TimA Moment Of Cerebushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02718525538144698138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-78596446824461666952016-03-05T23:30:04.044-06:002016-03-05T23:30:04.044-06:00Ah, the Snarkmaster chimes in once again.
Sorry, ...Ah, the Snarkmaster chimes in once again.<br /><br />Sorry, but Tim said I shouldn't use the t-word, so you have a new nickname.Jeff Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543690118315946039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-72114109648390939632016-03-05T20:49:51.464-06:002016-03-05T20:49:51.464-06:00Funniest thing I've read all day (and which te...Funniest thing I've read all day (and which tends to confirm my opinion): "Tried reading the Critical Thinking brochure and I’m afraid that there were areas of it with which I disagreed."<br /><br /> -- Damian<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com