tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post806789825748111922..comments2024-03-28T21:17:45.398-05:00Comments on A MOMENT OF CEREBUS: Five Questions On 'Male Light'A Moment Of Cerebushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02718525538144698138noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-59732973586253606832016-07-15T11:39:32.559-05:002016-07-15T11:39:32.559-05:00But...but, I'm *not* a feminist.
I believe wo...But...but, I'm *not* a feminist.<br /><br />I believe women should enjoy equal treatment under the law, and the same rights to self-determination as anyone else, but that's where it ends. I think there are irreducible differences between the sexes (explained entirely by natural selection, but it's not surprising I think that since I've been inhabited by a demon since childhood). I don't believe a single one of the 15ITtBbB (though #5 is a pretty clear case of False Analogy).<br /><br />So, whatever.<br /><br />Mostly it's discouraging to see someone of intelligence come down on the side of relativism (conceptual relativism, in this case). There are objective truths. If people disagree about something, it's just simply <i>not</i> the case that by virtue of that alone, what's being discussed is not fact, but opinion (talk about your impossible things to believe before breakfast). <br />But the quote originates before the Great Conversion, I think, so I suppose it's subject to revision.<br /><br />Alright,<br />Mitch.whc03gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08304236390575971087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-25296393683671312272016-07-13T16:00:38.103-05:002016-07-13T16:00:38.103-05:00Dave, I don't think a person would have to be ...Dave, I don't think a person would have to be crazy, evil or both to not be a feminist. I think a person would need to have 1) different goals from me, or 2) different premises from me, or c) both.<br /><br />I'm pretty certain Bill Willingham isn't a feminist, for example - I haven't talked to him one on one about politics, but my impression is that he's a right-wing libertarian. That doesn't make him crazy or evil. It means that he either disagrees with me on what a good society would look like, or he disagrees with me on what the best means for building such a society would be, or both.<br /><br />Certainly there are some feminists who'd say that to disagree with feminism you'd have to be crazy and/or evil. But in my experience, that's not the norm. <br /><br />And there are also those - like yourself, but you're certainly not alone in thinking this - who think that to be a feminist, one has to be crazy, or evil, or both. (As <a href="http://momentofcerebus.blogspot.com/2016/07/aardvark-comment-is-petition-helping.html?showComment=1468433905157#c829962436099970493" rel="nofollow">you just wrote</a> in another thread).<br /><br />You're of course allowed to have dissenting viewpoints, and I'm bewildered you think otherwise. Have you been arrested? Is someone preventing you from publishing Cerebus or posting it on the web?<br /><br />I think Sandeep has pointed out to you that there are large, organized forums of many different kinds of "dissenters from feminism" online. How is that happening, if dissent is not allowed? How did Donald Trump become the GOP nominee, if dissent is not allowed?<br /><br />I'm not denying that there are cases of feminists (or folks that are allied with feminists) being censorial - for example, agitating to get someone fired for stating an opinion. But there are also cases of non-feminists doing that. In the US, at least, these are edge cases on both sides.Barry Deutschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08796981762797604817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-83418107123400454622016-07-13T13:19:56.351-05:002016-07-13T13:19:56.351-05:00Actually I was referring to "flogging the dea...Actually I was referring to "flogging the dead horse" of "Is Dave Sim a misogynist?"Tony againnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-27177015047398467252016-07-13T12:28:04.215-05:002016-07-13T12:28:04.215-05:00Mitch - That would be fine if the Feminist Theocra...Mitch - That would be fine if the Feminist Theocracy allowed for dissenting viewpoints. I'm not offended that you're a feminist, why are you offended that I'm not a feminist? I'm not "not a feminist" as a means of hurting your feelings. I'm not a feminist because I think feminism is b.s. which I have explained at considerable length. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502294606395720342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-15845423903088427702016-07-13T12:24:53.206-05:002016-07-13T12:24:53.206-05:00Tony Dunlop - Yes, that's very much the approa...Tony Dunlop - Yes, that's very much the approach of the Feminist Theocracy. Floggings will continue until morale improves. They're completely at peace with that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502294606395720342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-72084801444182389402016-07-13T12:23:49.151-05:002016-07-13T12:23:49.151-05:00iestyn - Yes, Bill Willingham was apprehensive of ...iestyn - Yes, Bill Willingham was apprehensive of what my reaction would be when I saw it in Texas (first SPIRITS stop). John Christian, the local retailer had bought the original. I laughed and basically posed beside it, trying to imitate the image as closely as possible. It's a caricature. It's supposed to look bad. Of course the fact that I was good-natured about it didn't -- and doesn't -- get mentioned. <br /><br />Bill Willingham is one of the few major professionals to have signed the petition and he signed it pretty early. <br /><br />I don't think the Feminist Theocracy CAN stop beating the drum. The POINT of the Feminist Theocracy IS the drum: there are only three reasons to not be a feminist. 1) You're crazy 2) you're evil 3) you're crazy and evil. They can't move off that spot and still be feminists. <br /><br />My assumption is that we will discover that you can't have 86% of women out in the workforce and sustain a civilization. The Feminist Theocracy believes that the problem is that we don't have enough women out in the workforce and we don't have enough of them in positions of absolute authority. Since we live in a Feminist Theocracy, that isn't going to change until they've pushed it to the limit and then have to entertain the idea that maybe that wasn't the problem. Conservative estimate: 100 years from now. <br /><br />It's like President Obama's speech in Dallas championing inclusiveness. It's b.s. when the only inclusiveness that you allow is feminism. I was thrown out of society twenty years ago. Society -- that is, the Feminist Theocracy -- sees no reason to reconsider that. Ergo, you don't have an inclusive society, you have a Feminist Theocracy. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502294606395720342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-65555263169302731372016-07-12T20:38:51.669-05:002016-07-12T20:38:51.669-05:00i remember the fantastic Frazetta interview.
Say w...i remember the fantastic Frazetta interview.<br />Say what you will about TCJ but they gave you access to creators that was unheard of in the age before the internet.<br />As for Dave, i collected anything he did or that had his name attached to back then. Hindsight is 20/20. Back then I was surprised by his views but not enough to stop reading. Ericknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-70013861498345632252016-07-12T14:20:22.499-05:002016-07-12T14:20:22.499-05:00"[I]f two people have widely differing views,..."[I]f two people have widely differing views, then what is being discussed is not fact but opinion."<br /><br />Or, maybe one or both of them is wrong?<br /><br />How about this: call the quote above (A). Dave and I have widely differing views on about (A). Therefore, by his own lights, (A) is a matter of not fact but opinion. So why should I care about (A)?<br /><br />Alright,<br />Mitch.whc03gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08304236390575971087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-28285425289253450652016-07-12T13:45:13.606-05:002016-07-12T13:45:13.606-05:00It's also my opinion that it reads like a mani...It's also my opinion that it reads like a manifesto.<br /><br />But that's OK, because my opinion wouldn't interest you either.<br /><br />Although oddly, you also seem to want me to sign off on your non-misogyny... so perhaps you do want my opinion?<br /><br />I'm getting mixed messages here.<br /><br />How typical...jonblyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17628208187157260086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-2956020299452833792016-07-12T07:49:10.876-05:002016-07-12T07:49:10.876-05:00The floggings will continue until morale improves....The floggings will continue until morale improves.Tony Dunlopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2837001751311078781.post-63307634096170025932016-07-12T06:36:28.941-05:002016-07-12T06:36:28.941-05:00That's a pretty cool Dave caricature there
Bu...That's a pretty cool Dave caricature there<br /><br />But, please can we stop beating this drum now?!?!iestynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13451525711033030181noreply@blogger.com