The following Q&A with Dave Sim took place on 31 May 2014 in the final hours of the Cerebus Archive Number One Kickstarter campaign, with questions being posed by the Kickstarter pledgers. The following is an edited / reordered version of the full Q&A which can be found in the Kickstarter Comments section.
ON CEREBUS
DAMIN J. TOELL:
Do you feel that anything is lost from the experience when someone only reads the phonebooks?
DAVE SIM:
Yes, in a sense, I think that people miss a lot of the CEREBUS
experience just reading the phonebooks, but then they also miss the
experience of waiting for a month BETWEEN issues even if they're reading
the individual issues. And it not being, you know, the mid-1980s
anymore. It was definitely "of its time": Notes from the President, the
newest 20 pages, the letters pages.
"You should have been there!" Dr. Winston O'Boogie
JEFFREY FLAM:
Are there any regrets storyline-wise, that Cerebus took, that looking
back on it so many years later you wished you hadn't taken with the
book? Not what you would do differently now, just wondering if there any
paths you would've changed direction on?
DAVE SIM:
That's actually a more interesting question than you
would suspect, touching on predestination and free will. I mean, I
pretty much decided that Cerebus being who Cerebus was, he could really
only follow one path in life. His obsession with Jaka would always pull
him in that direction even though it was a VERY BAD idea. That's what I
wanted to show him and the reader: look, this is how this goes. And
knowing that Cerebus...and the readers...really didn't CARE! They just
wanted Cerebus and Jaka to be together. Well, okay. But that ends up
the way that it ends up the way it ended up. Happy now? Well, it's not
as if I didn't warn you. Cerebus just didn't have the personality
profile to be Mr. Jaka, which is who you have to be if you're going to
be with her.
What I didn't realized was that I was talking about myself as well --
creator and creation. The more I became aware of predestination and
free will as realities -- make that Realities -- the more I realized
that I was setting a course for myself. Given who I am -- who I AM --
this is the only way that my life could have ended up. I have free will
-- I can do whatever I want, but WANT is a bad way of looking at it, I
ultimately realized. I WANT to eat a whole chocolate cake every day. I
really WANT to. But it's a VERY BAD idea. It was a whole new way of
looking at life. Start with GOOD IDEAS -- this is a GOOD IDEA of how to
live. Forget about WANT and DESIRE. Pick from the list. As soon as I
started doing that, my life starting improving exponentially.
It's one of the reasons that -- although I'm not really engaged with
CEREBUS at any meaningful level in my life -- I definitely think myself
obligated to maintain it. Because it got me HERE. Even though HERE is
probably not where most CEREBUS fans would have wanted me to end up.
Preserve the intellectual property and the environment it was created
in, because I really OWE it to all of you and to all of the people
CEREBUS will be important to in the years to come. 6,000 pages are
going to be important to different people for different reasons. But
you really can't -- responsibly -- diminish importance like that.
It made me very aware of how I think God looks at us. "I can give
you that [whatever it is] but it's a BAD IDEA. It leads you the wrong
way. Trust me on this one. Humour me." And that's so difficult for us
to do. We're so convinced that what we WANT the most is the best for
us. THIS will make it all better! Mm. Probably not. "You can get what
you want and still not be very happy."
EDDIE KHANNA:
Totally understand if you don't recall, but why is the the final
Election Night tally considered the Core Moment in High Society?
DAVE SIM:
I don't think you can beat "Election Night" for a cliffhanger. That's
one of those examples of "not really getting the same experience when
you don't have to wait a month for the next one". It anticipated, I
think, the 2000 election in the U.S. where you can tell that the overall
Metaphysics of current Reality is reaching a state of (what would you
call it?) Complete Adversarial Equilibrium? We seem to have moved a
little ways out of that Reality since 2000 but for a while there it
seemed that more elections were photo finishes than weren't. As with
most Metaphysics, I'm not sure what that tells us, if anything, but it
does seem interesting.
JEFF SEILER:
Since AMOC has been posting those old [Following Cerebus #3] reproduction covers, it
occurred to me for the first time while looking at the Frazetta recreation: Did you get any flack from Marvel over doing the Wolveroach
character (in multiples) again so many years after the "cease and
desist" letter from Shooter? Or do you figure they just didn't see it,
since it was a mag not a comic, or that they just didn't care after all
those years?
DAVE SIM:
Actually, there never was a cease and desist letter on Wolverroach, I don't think. Was there? I know Jim Shooter came up to me after a panel at a
convention. I was still sitting on the panel and -- he's Jim Shooter.
I'm sitting down on a dais and he's standing in front of me and we're
basically eye to eye. And he leaned forward and said, "About the
Wolverroach thing. Next time, give me a call and ask permission, okay?"
And I said, SURE! Even though I didn't think I was going to because I
was pretty sure the answer would be No. I was also pretty sure that
parody was -- and is -- protected free speech. What could they do?
Order all copies of issues 54-56 destroyed? All you're going to do is
make for One Rare Trilogy of Comic Books.
MARGARET LISS:
What was the name of the tavern near the wall of T'si where Cerebus
spent his time during GUYS and later as a 'barkeeper' during RICK'S
STORY? I can't find mention of it anywhere. Or is the namelessness of it
supposed to serve as a metaphor of all taverns / bars?
DAVE SIM:
When the Cirinists took over and figured out what they were going to
do with the taverns, they would have made them into "no name"
environments. The idea would have been regimentation. You want a
bartender who "toes the line" and you want everyone else killing
themselves with alcohol 24 hours a day. Keep It Simple, Stupid.
I don't know if I've ever mentioned this before. You know those
little widgets resting against the wall on either side of the front
door? That was a signal of the vacancy status of the tavern. There
were "this many" beds available. Someone -- and I'm thinking the Eddie
Campbell character is a likely suspect -- seeing that Cerebus didn't
KNOW that, moved all of the widgets to show "no vacancy". Which is why
the tavern went from busy to DEAD. Not that it really affected Cerebus.
He had a lot of solo fuming and sulking to do.
JAKE CAPPS:
What books, poems, essays, films, and albums should I find to better appreciate/understand Cerebus?
DAVE SIM:
Let me see: Scott Fitzgerald, I would read
THE BEAUTIFUL AND DAMNED. Oscar Wilde PICTURE OF DORIAN GRAY.
Hemingway A MOVEABLE FEAST. To understand the TONE of JAKA'S STORY I
WOULD suggest watching the movie version of GYPSY. Jaka of JAKA'S STORY
is very much based on Rose Louise. Theodore White's THE MAKING OF THE
PRESIDENT 1960.
Norman Mailer. If you don't want to read Mailer himself, I'd
suggest MAILER: HIS LIFE AND TIMES. A guy who dealt with a multiplicity
of levels to Reality and how people who really only dealt with "here
and now" dealt with him. Gore Vidal's essays. Those would be the most
influential stuff.
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| "Near Durham, ON... one of my favourite shots... didn't quite make it as a Going Home cover..." (from Gerhard's Photo Album) |
CEREBUS COVERS
TIM PHILLIPS:
Not sure if this has be covered elsewhere/when, but do you recall the
reason for having photo covers for Going Home? Were they taken around
Kitchener? It was such striking shift in cover design.
DAVE SIM:
The photo covers were
taken around Kitchener. Various places. That's one of the things
that's going to be a part of the COVERS book when we get there: where
all the photos were taken. Gerhard knows that stuff. One of them was
taken by Rose on a visit to France. It was really a matter of both of us
running out of gas. Not having to draw a cover -- and in Gerhard's
case, do the backgrounds and paint the damn thing! -- was a time saver.
Of course that time just got eaten up as soon as we made the decision.
It was like paddling on a raft that was being eaten around us by giant
sea mammals. Can we get to issue 300 and still have some of the raft
left? Some. But not a lot.
TIM PHILIPS:
Is there any news on the Cerebus Covers book coming out?
DAVE SIM:
I'd be guessing as to what is going on with the CEREBUS COVERS book. I
got some pages from Scott Dunbier that are very basic. I think what
needs to happen is that I have to get some full-sized photocopies done
of the material that's too big for my colour copier and then do mock-ups
of the first 10 or 12 pages to show Scott what I'm thinking of. I want
to, as an example, do an exhaustive look at the cover of #1, all the
different versions and forms there have been of it, including the
counterfeit and the only copy that's cut to comic-book size, the cover
of CEREBUS ARCHIVE #1, the 2004 Christmas card, etc. I want to DO the
cover of #1 and then never have to do it again. Scott, I think, is
thinking of it purely as an art book. We have to have a discussion
about it at some point. But, I think, right now everyone at IDW is more
inclined for me to keep working on THE STRANGE DEATH OF ALEX RAYMOND
now that they can see how slow I've gotten. Let's finish one project
instead of having several unfinished projects. I'm guessing. Once we
have some answers, I think I can turn in a few pages of the COVERS book
at the same rate as SDOAR -- basically the way that I did glamourpuss
and CEREBUS ARCHIVE at the same time.
LIFE AFTER CEREBUS
MINT CITY COMICS:
How difficult was it to put Cerebus to bed (coffin?) and move on to the next portion of your creative career?
DAVE SIM:
How difficult was it to put Cerebus to bed (or his
coffin)? Not really difficult at all. Again, that's a matter of
predestination. When you know your character is coming to an end in
March 2004, it gives you plenty of time to get completely adjusted to
it. And it also gave me a better perspective on my own mortality. I
have a fixed life of a fixed duration. I can't add or subtract a minute
from it. In the fourth dimension, it's all already happened and it has
gone a specific way. All that really matters is self-improvement. I
can change anything in the construct. I haven't had a drink in 11 years
but I can, if I choose, go out and get stinking drunk tonight. I
either did or I didn't. The same way that I had my last drink January
24, 2003. Had you asked me at the time, "So how long do you think
that's going to last" I would have said, "Probably not very long." But
it turns out that it was eleven years. It was always eleven years. It
will always be eleven years. God willing it's the rest of my life.
Predestination: that's what has always happened. Free will: I could
have changed it at any moment in the last eleven years -- or in the rest
of my life.
In terms of my creative career, when I had to start glamourpuss in
order to raise money to repurchase Gerhard's share of the company, I
thought, "It's too soon for this." That is, the level of animosity was
still WAY HIGH! I only get one chance at a second chance after CEREBUS.
2008 was too soon. But I needed the money. It made things difficult
and still makes things difficult in a way. But, Difficulty R Us. When
things seem to get easier is when I start to worry. What's going on?
What am I missing here?
JAMES MOORE:
I love seeing Cerebus in the "modern" world, like the few spots in the
Guide to Publishing, or the pics of him in his hockey gear... any chance
of us ever seeing him in the "real" world for 8 pages or so? After
Strange Death, naturally.
DAVE SIM:
It was always interesting drawing Cerebus in a modern setting. Hmm.
Maybe 8 pages of Cerebus walking around downtown Kitchener? Try and
pick places that might stick around for a while. Like City Hall.
Market Square (from SPAWN 10) is still there, but Peter's Place burned
down back in '94. I actually get my hair cut at Black and White barbers
which is pretty much where Peter's Place used to be.
I'm "blue skying" I'm afraid. To the extent that I think about doing
other creative work the length of time it takes for me to do it
militates against something as long as 8 pages. Chris Ryall wanted me
to draw the X-FILES story I wrote. Which I would have loved to do.
But, 8 pages -- that's a month's work these days or close to it.
When I think of doing Other Things, now, it's usually Kickstarter
pledge items. Hmm. How about a recreation of the "baby throwing page"?
More bang for your buck (so to speak).
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THE STRANGE DEATH OF ALEX RAYMOND
DANIEL W. CISEK:
I live right next to Westport CT [the scene of Alex Raymond's fatal car crash] and just wanted to let you know that if
you need anything in the way of research from the area (photos or
what-have-you), for The Strange Death, I'd be more than happy to oblige.
DAVE SIM:
You know, I might take you up on the Westport offer. I've been in
contact with the Westport Police Department and actually got some
information from them, including the original accident report and Stan
Drake's official statement. Both of which figure prominently in the
narrative. There were a few other leads I was trying to track down
through Arlen Schumer (who IS in Westport) and a friend of his. But --
to be honest -- that's a WAYS down the road from where I am. And since
it's all Official Stuff that has been in place since 1956, I figure it's
not going anywhere.
I've gone back and forth on the idea that it's worth my while to go
down to Westport and look at the accident site. Arlen took a bunch of
photos for me and...I'm not seeing it. We've talked about it on the
phone quite a bit and I get the impression that it's one of those
distorted environments that doesn't show up on photos the way it
actually looks. Like Dealey Plaza in Dallas. It looks sprawling and
sloped in the photos. But when you're there it's the size of a postage
stamp. Sitting on the concrete platform where Zapruder was standing
when he shot his footage and the road is Right There. Not Over There.
Okay, so where's the stockade fence? Turn to my right. YI! Right over
my shoulder. Again, not WAY over there. If I can justify the expense, I
think I do have to see the site of the crash.
JEFFREY FLAM:
This might be a little morbid but what the hey its all in good fun, if
there was one comic creator you could bring back to life and have them
making comics today...who would it be?
DAVE SIM:
Well as long as we're being MORBID, what about MORBID
AND completely SELF-INTERESTED? In that case, I would like Alex Raymond
to come back from the dead and pick up right where he left off on RIP
KIRBY. Actually, why don't we give him a few weeks in the next world
and then he comes back and sees what kind of "Raymond Chops" this John
Prentice kid has and hires him as his assistant?
Second choice would be Jeff Jones coming back in full "Idyll" mode and picking up right where HE (uh "she") left off.
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| Lithograph No.1: Neil Gaiman |
EVIL DAVE SIM
JEFFREY FLAM:
If the shoe has ever been on the other
foot, has a creators perceived personal politics ever stopped you from
reading or caring about their work? Not asking to name names but given
the whole evil Dave shenanigans wonder if that situation has ever been
reversed for you.
DAVE SIM:
No, I've never been in the situation
where I would Not Read someone else's work because of political or
personal differences. At least part of that I think is because I've
always known the work more than the person, whoever the person was. It
would seem really weird to me to have someone's personal or political
views get "in the way" of their work. It's either good work and worth
looking at or it isn't. If it IS good work, how would you change your
mind about it? I think you'd have to be dissociative by nature to be
able to do that. To keep various Realities in different compartments in
your head. "I liked this work in 1994 but then I had to stop liking
it." How do you STOP liking something creative? Gives me the creeps to
even think of thinking that way.
ERIC FENNESSEY:
Did the Neil Gaiman annual lithograph auction ever restart? My
step-brother kindly got me the first one for my fortieth, but I've never
seen another one offered.
DAVE SIM:
On the question about the Neil Gaiman Lithograph, no I'm afraid that was one of the casualties of the "I Don't Believe Dave Sim Is a Misogynist" petition. I thought, Neil of ALL people!
Unfortunately the list of "of ALL people!" is as long as my arm. I'm
very pleased to have the hand-rendered ones in the Archive that Neil
did. I think he had a lot of fun doing them. There's definitely a
frustrated artist very near Neil Gaiman's surface so the idea of a
defacing a "lithograph" of himself with any medium he could think of (I
think he borrowed a whole box of whatever-his-daughters were using at
the time: glitter, sparkles, paints).
I've still got all of the un-doctored ones in the hall closet upstairs. Maybe things will change someday.
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