Showing posts with label Genesis Question. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Genesis Question. Show all posts

Sunday, 9 June 2019

TL:DR: The Genesis Question part fifty-seven, THE GRAND FINALE (or is that "the grand finally"?)

Hi, Everybody!

So, two things:

1, the bizness:

The remastered Volume 1 is available digitally for $9.99.

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All the Postcard from Hell? #2 surveys are in, and the cards are at the printers.
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2, I ran out of pages from issue 289/290 to run in front of Dave's Genesis Question commentaries. Dave suggested I use Jewish, Christian or Muslim religious images. But then, Superman's Frenemy: David Birdsong sent in a bunch of (so far) unused Cerebus in Hell? images and now I'ma gonna run them. So:
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image by Doré, Sim & Birdsong (coming to a Cerebus in Hell? #1 near you (next year.) (The Amicable Spider-Vark #1.).)


Psalms 104

Psalms 139

Proverbs 8:22-31

Ecclesiastes 3:11

Habakkuk 3:3

Acts 14:17

Acts 17:23-31

Romans 1:18-25

Romans 2:14-15

Romans 10:16-18

Colossians 1:23

1 Thessalonians 5:21 
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And that's it.

Dave's hand took a crap, and he gave up on doing the Genesis Question commentaries.

Thanks for coming along on this year plus-long journey.

Thanks to all the commenters for all the comments. 

Yup, time for some navel gazing. You could go back and rewatch June's Please Hold... or here's a better post.

Something that I wanted to clear up a bit, this post, was written by Carson, on May 23rd. He decided to NOT post it, and only posted it on June 3rd, because of David Johnson's revelation of Hazel Poni's true identity. 

Something I don't think David J realized is just how small a community Cerebus fandom is. He sent the message to Carson (that Carson responds to in that post,) and also Brian and Gerhard (re-reading "Hazel's" message to Carson, it's clear at the beginning that "Hazel" was directing the message at Gerhard). Anyway, it was rather inevitable that the message would find its way to me. 

I have back channel conversations with the whole Cerebus in Hell? team, Margaret Liss, Carson, and (on rare occasions) Gerhard.

Something I wanted to clear up from Carson's post, (well, "Hazel's" message to Carson that was part of Carson's post) (Which I'm only mentioning here since David "I'm leaving and I'm never coming back" Johnson keeps coming back for the Genesis Question posts, so I figure he'll see this).

"Hazel" said:
He [David Johnson] says people like Matt Dow and you three love the old Dave and Cerebus, but don't like them after God became a part of them.

 Yeah...that's news to me. (About me, I don't pretend to speak for Gerhard, Brian, or Carson.) I'm pretty sure I've posted multiple images from Latter Days and The Last Day, and have only spoken highly of the latter third of the Cerebus series. I don't think I'd be running a blog devoted to Cerebus if I didn't like the whole thing...

"Hazel" continued:
David is ok with all of you choosing those things, but wants you to know that God doesn't like it.

The morbidly curious part of myself wants to know A: how does David know that? and B: how that works? If God is omniscient and omnipotent, how can things exist if He doesn't like them?

This is the main thing "Hazel" wrote that I want to clarify:
In Matt's reply to David he explained all of you could do what you want,
Yup, I did.
that he was  an agnostic,
Sure am.
and that belief in a Creator outside of any simple idea and sharing that with others was wrong,
Nope. I did not. I just re-read the whole thing, anybody want to double check? Anybody finds the part where I said what "Hazel" said I said, and posts a quote of that in the comments gets an original drawing of Iguana, Beer, Cerebus and Batman signed by me and sent to their house.
and added a link to Take On Me.
Yup. I did that.
He made it clear that he liked the old  Dave and Cerebus, but not how God is a part of them now.
Okay, the person who finds THIS gets a drawing of Iguana as their favorite superhero (Male. Iguana's not doing drag anymore...)
David says Matt and some of the other fans wish to continue helping Dave do, what they call the old style Cerebus in Cerebus In Hell?, but they don't want to do anything about God.
Um...I don't even have words...

"Hazel" brought me up a few more times, but nothing that smacked of a serious break with reality, so I'll leave them out, but "Hazel" did say:
I myself like all of you, but think what all of you have done by doing the story, is wrong. If all of you reply to this, I'll send it to Matt, Dave, and David. Matt and Dave didn't ask me to do this.
Nope, I did not. And I never would. Like I said, it's a small community, and we all talk. So, if I had a problem with somebody, they'd know it.

Okay, bed time for Bonzo...

Next Time: Will Matt FINALLY get a Please Hold For Dave Sim transcript done? God I hope so...

Sunday, 2 June 2019

TL:DR: The Genesis Question part fifty-six

Hi, Everybody!

So, two things:

1, the bizness:
The Cerebus In Hell?  "Approval Is An Authoritarian Construct" T-Shirt is available in the US and UK.

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2, I ran out of pages from issue 289/290 to run in front of Dave's Genesis Question commentaries. Dave suggested I use Jewish, Christian or Muslim religious images. But then, Superman's Frenemy: David Birdsong sent in a bunch of (so far) unused Cerebus in Hell? images and now I'ma gonna run them. So:
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image by Doré, Sim & Birdsong
22 February 15

Hi Troy & Mia!

Habakkuk 3:3:

God came from Teman and the holy one from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens and the earth was full of his praise. 

Teman:  the grandson of Esau who may have given his name to the district, town or tribe (or all three) of that name in Northern Edom.  So, traditionally, considered an enemy of Jacob/Israel and therefore of God.  "The prophets (Jeremiah 49:20; Ezekiel 25:13, Amos 1:12, Obadiah 9) include Teman among the Edomite towns to be destroyed". 

Therefore, interesting that one of the latter prophets would have a vision that God (past tense) came from Edom. 

Mount Paran:  a wilderness situated in the East central region of the Sinai Penninsula.  It was to this wilderness that Hagar and Ishmael went after their expulsion from Abraham's household (Genesis 21:21).

Comparably interesting, to me, as this suggests that what is being referred to is proto-Islamic in nature (Islam descending from Abraham through Ishmael -- and Hagar). 

Also interesting to see "Selah" in there, which I only recall seeing in David's Psalms.  Checking my NEW BIBLE DICTIONARY, sure enough, the word occurs 71 times in the Psalms and three times in Habakkuk. 

So there appears to be a triangulation here, although I'm not sure, specifically, a triangulation of what. 

The grandson of Esau would suggest the status of "usurped" since the grandson of Esau would have inherited Isaac's stature had Jacob not usurped it from Esau.  Which would conform with my own notion that YHWH is the prototypical usurper and that God comes from the tradition of the "usurped", contextually speaking, in the Torah.   

And, likewise, Ishmael was in place to be Abraham's heir until Sarah insisted that Hagar and Ishmael be driven out into the wilderness (a comparable enactment to A Dam being driven out of the Garden of Eden by the YHWH). 

In that case, it would seem to me that the "Selah" (about which there are, evidently, varying theories as to its point of origin: as a musical indicator of the nature of the Psalm or as a liturgical mark or an expression comparable to "Amen!" or "Hallelujah!")  might be intended ironically by God at the tail end of the Jewish Revelation, directed against the YHWH's (and the Jewish people's) Davidic Messianic expectation, basically leap-frogging the (relatively) imminent Christian Revelation and anticipating the "origination" of God from Teman and Mount Paran: that is, Islam. 

Instead of the multiplicity of Psalms, this is announced through one of the shortest revelations in the Torah.  Habakkuk IS only three chapters long.

It's quite possible that 3:3 was intended to serve as a Godly contrast to the previous verse, the YHWHistic 3:2:

O YHWH, I have heard thy report/thy hearing/thy speech, [interpolated: and] was afraid:  O YHWH revive [alternative meaning: preserve alive] thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath, remember mercy.

There is, evidently, little unity on the subject of the date of Habakkuk, its authorship and several of the references within it.  What I think can be agreed is that it is a plea to God for an explanation of why He would raise up the Chaldeans to overpower Pharaoh Neco  and then Jehoiakim, king of Judah.  As I read it, it's an example of God answering the question directly but the limitations of human comprehension being such that the implicit verity can only be recognized in retrospect: 

Essentially, "You aren't looking at the Big Picture. I am."  Which is, I think, invariably the only answer that God can give.  Had God elaborated upon his answer -- which I think he does in the rest of Chapter 3 by granting Habakkuk visions of "what is yet to be" -- it would have been "The Chaldeans are just a continuation of an extensive process.  There are Large Contentions enacting themselves in the world and they will continue to enact themselves.  You're looking for easy answers and glib resolutions along the lines of And God looked down and saw that His Chosen People weren't winning and he sent Legions of Angels to devastate everyone who had set them against His Revelation and the Legions of Angels won and everyone lived happily ever after The End. "

So far as I know, I'm the only one who reads 3:3 this way, but I think God's point is: when Abraham, at Sarah's behest, abandoned Ishmael and his mother in the wilderness of Paran, he abandoned Me.  Ishmael wasn't an enemy to Isaac and Hagar was not an affront to Sarah. That was a maternal delusion on Sarah's part.  If you look at how the story unfolded, Hagar was an obedient servant, to God, to Abraham and to Sarah, otherwise she wouldn't have allowed Abraham to impregnate her.  Basically Abraham repeats A Dam's mistake of "hearkening unto the voice of his wife" instead of doing what he would have known to be right in the eyes of God.  You can't just bring that story to a happy resolution by saying that Hagar and Ishmael need to be abandoned to die of thirst in the wilderness "and Abraham and Sarah lived happily ever after The End."  There IS a happily ever after to the story, but it's the fact that Hagar, in her desperation as she and Ishmael were on the verge of death discovered the Zam-Zam well.  Although it was stopped up for generations, even today, the Zam-Zam well supplies ABUNDANT water to Mecca, more than enough for Saudi Arabia's largest city and more than enough for the millions of pilgrims who come to the Sacred Mosque from around the world every year. 

THERE, I see God as saying. THERE's the Happily Ever After ending that you're looking for. 

"God came from Teman and the Holy One from Mount Paran." 

Of course subsequent to that there is, as I read it, the overlapping of God and YHWH.  Which, as I read it, is part of the problem and part of the Revelation.  The YHWH -- who believes men are inherently evil -- exacts terrible retribution (verses 4-6):

And brightness was as the light: he, horns out of his hand/bright beams out of his side, and there was the hiding of his power: before him went the pestilence and burning diseases went forth at his feet.

And this sounds like GOD to you?  No, I think God is best described (and describes Himself) at the end of verse 6:

He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations, and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow:  His ways everlasting.

God has dominion over the YHWH, the earth, the nations, the "everlasting" mountains and the "perpetual" hills.  But it was men who chose to call upon the name of the YHWH (Genesis 4:26).  You have to be a little more careful where you place your faith, is God's point (in my opinion), or you have to suffer the consequences.

This leads, as I read it, to a sharp exchange between God and the YHWH, who are both (again, as I read it) imparting revelations to Habakkuk. First God, as I read it:  

Was the YHWH displeased against the rivers?  thine anger against the rivers? thy wrath against the Sea, that thou didst ride upon thy horses thy chariots of salvation? Thy bow was made quite naked to the oaths of the tribes. Word. Selah.

This seems to me to follow on from the Mount Paran reference and the discovery of the Zam-Zam well (called Beer-lahai-roi in Genesis 16:14 "the well of Him that liveth and seeth me"), a reference the YHWH is trying to bypass.  God provided abundant water to all.  What is the YHWH's problem with that? God uses "Word" here as modern hip-hop uses it: as a definitive Truth.

It was, after all, the Angel of the YHWH who told Hagar that the YHWH had heard of her affliction.  And promised that Ishmael "will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him & he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren." I think this the meaning behind the reference to "Thy bow was made quite naked to the oaths of the tribes. Word. Selah".  That is, the YHWH intention was, transparently, contention: to make Ishmael an adversary to everyone and everyone an adversary to Ishmael (I think we see echoes of this in the "lone nut" Muslim attacks of our modern day) and to attempt to affront God in doing so.  God is saying that he isn't affronted.  He was in Mount Paran.  He saved Hagar and Ishmael and God will come again from Mount Paran, despite the nakedness of the YHWH's bow -- Ishmael eventually becomes a great archer (Genesis 25:12) -- the YHWH's overt advocacy of violent confrontation. 

The (as I read it) YHWH's response is both immediate and infantile:

Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.

Only the YHWH could see rivers as comparable to pillaging and ravening entire civilizations -- as if the YHWH is just doing to men what God is doing to the YHWH, the earth, with rivers.  God's response is comparably immediate:

The mountains saw thee, they trembled: the overflowing of the water passed by: the deep uttered his voice, lift up his hands on high. 

I think the reference is to Habakkuk himself.  "He's expressing incredulity and exasperation, YHWH.  Your own component elements, the mountains, react to you in the same way.  That SHOULD tell you something."  And then refers to the Book of Joshua 10:12-13, where Joshua pleaded with the YHWH to have the sun stand still in the sky so the Jewish people could thoroughly eradicate the Amorites:

The sun, moon, stood still in habitation, at the light of thine arrows they went, at the shining of thy glittering spear.  Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, for salvation with thine Anointed, thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, making naked the neck. Selah.  Thou didst strike through with his staves the head of his villages, they were tempestuous as a whirlwind to scatter Me: their rejoicing as to devour the poor secretly. 

And in answer to the suggestion that the rivers were some kind of invasion of the YHWH:

Thou didst walk through the Sea with thy horses, the heap of great waters.    

What I always remark upon is God's Infinite Patience in these situations.  Men are calling upon the name of the YHWH to grant them absolute victory over their perceived enemies and the YHWH is wreaking vengeance both upon men for disobeying he/she/it and upon their enemies at their behest and -- every once in a while -- someone accidentally refers to God instead of the YHWH in pleading for an answer to What In the Heck Is Going On? As Habakkuk does here.

Well, what is God to say?  It's a huge mess.  A huge mess of men's devising and of the YHWH's devising.  There you go.  That's what free will misapplied gets you.  The best God can be is Reassuring In The Long Term.  Men are basically good, the YHWH's view notwithstanding.  That's what God has addressed to Habakkuk:  these are fundamental errors in decision-making but God is abiding strictly to the governing principle that everyone is allowed to express their free will in whatever form they choose.  In the Short Term, this is what it leads to.  And God renders visions unto Habakkuk of SPECIFICALLY what it leads to.  Presumably those visions could include every generation of our epoch up to the present day.  ISIS is nothing new in our world.  Isis was the Egyptian earth goddess, the sister and wife of Osiris. Isis is just another name for the YHWH and the YHWH's impulse toward genocidal brutality.    

Habakkuk's reaction is significant, predictable and (to me) sad:

When I heard my belly trembled: my lips quivered at the voice: rottenness entered into my bones, and I trembled in myself, that I might rest in the day of trouble: when he commeth up unto the people, he will cut them in pieces. 

Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither fruit in the vines:  the labour of the Olive shall lie, and the fields shall yield no meat, the flock shall be cut off from the fold and there no herd in the stalls:

Yet I will rejoice in the YHWH: I will joy in the God of my salvation.  The YHWH God my strength, and he will make my feet like hind's and he will make me to walk upon my high places.  To the chief singer on my stringed instrument.

Let me know how that's working out for you, Habakkuk!

Next week, God willing, Acts 14:17

Best,


Dave  
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Next Time: Lord Julius? -Past Matt

Sunday, 26 May 2019

TL:DR: The Genesis Question part fifty-five

Hi, Everybody!

So, two things:

1, the bizness:
Jeff Seiler is winning the Green Dante/Green Virgil Cover for $1300 (US)! If you want in on this action, just comment on this post, or e-mail momentofcerebus@gmail.com As Dave said, the auction ends on Friday at Midnight (CDT). To prevent douchebaggery, I'm limiting the bidding to WHOLE US Dollars, in FIVE DOLLAR INCREMENTS. So if you wanna make Seiler lose his faith in humanity, you gotta come up with at least thirteen hundred and FIVE bucks (You Ess.). After the deadline, I'll contact the winner and figure out how we're getting Dave his money. (Seiler suggested that the increase should be in FIFTY dollar increments, and as much as I wanna get Dave mo' money, I was trying to eliminate the one penny douches...)

The remastered Volume 1 is available digitally for $9.99.

If you got a couple of extra bucks and want to do a fellow Cerebus fan a solid, frequent commentator Mike Battaglia has a go fund me here.

Friend to the Blog, and the guy who sets his phasers to the Light Side: Steve Peters has another Kickstarter going. (I have a joke in one panel.)
2, I ran out of pages from issue 289/290 to run in front of Dave's Genesis Question commentaries. Dave suggested I use Jewish, Christian or Muslim religious images. But then, Superman's Frenemy: David Birdsong sent in a bunch of (so far) unused Cerebus in Hell? images and now I'ma gonna run them. So:
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image by Doré, Sim & Birdsong
15 February 15

Hi Troy and Mia!

Okay. Ecclesiastes 3:11.  This is really getting far afield from what I consider formal Scripture, but let's persevere.  For the sake of meeting Mr. Ross' thesis on its own terms, I'll start with the supposition that Ecclesiastes is scriptural, the word of God.

3:11 reads

He hath made everything beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

In HIS time.  The fact that the "his" is lower case would suggest that it refers to the "everything" rather than to God.  Which would imply a strictly masculine nature to "everything". Not an uninteresting theory (if true): that the masculine "everything" was made by God and everything feminine or neuter wasn't actually made by God but, rather, occurred as implications of the masculine "everything".  I can't think of an analogous assertion in scripture.

If the lower case is a typographical error and does refer to God, it would seem an awkward construction to me:  Can an omnipresent being be said, accurately, to have a "time"?  ALL time is GOD's time, presumably.

"He hath set the world in their heart so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end."  Again, not an uninteresting theory, if by "the world" we're technically talking about the YHWH.  There is, at least, an arguable internal logic to the verse, first drawing a distinction between the "everything beautiful" being masculine (compelling the inference that the feminine and the neuter came into existence by some other means than being "made" by God) and then suggesting that the feminine and the neuter -- as expressed by the incarnation of the YHWH -- are, by nature, impediments.  Not only external to God's creation, but designed to inhibit and prevent understanding of that creation. 

It also seems a strange -- and specific -- citation for Mr. Ross to use, suggesting as it does that "no man can find out the work that God maketh" when that's exactly what Mr. Ross is endeavouring to do:  to find out, identify and document what he sees as the irrefutable science behind Genesis. 

Of course this is also the chapter that begins with what became, slightly modified, in my boyhood, the lyrics to "Turn, Turn, Turn".  The Byrds?  I forget. I think it was The Byrds, though.  "To every thing [interpolated: there is] a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven."  Followed by a lengthy list of dichotomous "things".  "A time to [Hebrew: bear KJV: to be born…

[I'm making an exception here in citing the Hebrew AND KJV versions.  It seems to me a "bridge too far" to be commenting on non-scripture AND citing the KJV translators improvisations:  so for the rest of Ecclesiastes 3, I'll stick strictly to the original Hebrew terminology]

... and a time to die; a time to plant and a time to pluck up that which is planted".  Interesting dichotomies:  "kill/heal"; "break down/build up"; "weep/laugh"; "mourn/dance" (!); "cast away stones/gather stones together"; "embrace/be far from embracing"; "get (or seek)/lose"; "keep/cast away"; "rent/sow"; "keep silence/speak"; "love/hate"; "war/peace". 

A time to love and a time to hate?  It's hard for me to imagine any good time to "hate".   Even harder for me to see such an assertion as scriptural. 

"What profit hath he that worketh, in that wherein he laboureth?"

I think I understand the question (assuming it isn't purely rhetorical: hardly a safe assumption given the tone of the rest of the chapter).  I guess my answer would be that work itself provides the profit from that work.  It's always easy to slip into the (as I see it) self-deluding idea that we're working towards something in our worldly works.  Work itself tends to be "goal oriented" in the sense that we want to accomplish smaller tasks and larger tasks and still larger tasks and that eventually we will "Get There" and we have a vague or specific mental image of what "There" is or will be.  In my own, personal, experience there isn't really a "There" apart from getting something done.  In my case a 26-year, 6,000 page graphic novel.  My mental image, while I was producing it, was of something that would be celebrated and materially successful.  Which it is, but on a very, very, very small scale.  Having made something exactly as I thought it needed to be made, I've ended up with a very small audience with a work that is almost completely unknown and far more widely reviled than admired. 

But, it is what it is. 

In retrospect I think I can see more clearly what I was actually doing and that it was inevitable that it would end up the way it ended up.  And I can also see that its inherent value was AS hard work.  Period.  My intention for it -- at least judging by the eleven years since it was finished -- proved meaningless -- less than meaningless -- but the hard work I put into it proved, it seems to me, to be the sum total of its value.  Which is why I continue to work hard -- even harder than I did then -- because it seems to me that that's how you find favour in the sight of God:  by keeping strictly to worship of God and religious observance, being 100% or as close to 100% reliable as you can get, and in between worship of God and religious observance by working as hard as you can work at whatever you're working at. 

I could make a persuasive argument that there is greater value to different kinds of work -- that trying to document Comic Art Metaphysics as accurately as I can in excruciating visual detail is valuable work: valuable in the sight of God -- but I have also become aware that most perceptions attached to work amount to self-mythologizing:  magnifying potential importance in order to maintain motivation.  In my heart of hearts and my mind of minds, though, I'm fully aware that as long as I was -- and am -- putting in thirteen hours a day six days a week, I could probably be as fruitfully shovelling manure.  Perhaps even more so since the capacity for self-mythologizing is less possible in the latter instance, so the work becomes a purer form of itself. 

As with everything else, I think it comes down to innermost motivation.  Choosing work instead of sloth seems to me a good choice, both as a general life choice and as the best minute-to-minute, second-to-second decision.  Don't slack off.  Work.  And I see inherent value in that as a straight-line-cradle-to-the-grave policy. I hope I can maintain it, although my body does, at least, seem to be falling apart.

So, to me, "IN THAT wherein he laboureth" is the pertinent element of the question.  Work AS work has merit.  Work with the idea that it is getting you somewhere I think doesn't have merit and is, in fact, a vice.  Ultimately, everything that is work is physically incarnated and everything physically incarnated is ultimately dust. Dust to dust.  Ashes to ashes.

I have seen the travail which God hath given to the sons of men, to be exercised by it. 

Of course, there are two different interpretations of "travail" -- one is "work" and the other is "trouble" -- as there are two different interpretations of "exercised" -- one is "physical work-out" and the other is "self-troubling". 

Mr. Ross' selected verse follows with these observations following it:

I know that no good in them, but for to rejoice, and to do good in his life.  And also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labour:  it  the gift of God. 

I agree that a man needs to do good in his life, as best he can conceive of that in terms of being charitable and agreeable and helpful, personally.  "Rejoice", I have a certain amount of trouble with.  Isn't it better that I use any time that I might allocate for "rejoicing" for doing more work and doing more good?  I'm not a great one for "victory laps".  Sometimes I think I've gotten pretty close to Right in what I'm doing but I think it's a safe assumption that I'm probably wrong and that I'm only going to make my situation worse by celebrating being "Right" instead of just ploughing right back into doing everything wrong but with right intent. 

Eat and drink? At a minimum for sustenance.  I can see that but not much beyond that.  "Enjoy" is just not in my nature.  Satisfying moments delivered by God.  I'm deeply appreciative of those because they're always unexpected and I always assume that each one is the last one I'm getting.  It seems a much healthier way to live:  I'm basically shovelling manure from now until I fall over and die so that's really all I'm anticipating.  Something happens every few weeks or every few months that isn't that? Well, hey, Bonus!  And then, immediately, back to shovelling manure.

I know that whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it: and God doth it, that men should fear before Him.

I think only God could definitively make those statements.  From a man, they're just interesting opinions. 

That which hath been, is now: and that which is to be, hath already been, and  God requireth that which is driven away

The first half of the verse, in light of our modern scientific understanding of the fourth dimension, time, seems more like the kind of citation that Mr. Ross should be looking for.  I find it, personally, critically important to be aware that everything that will happen has already happened in a fourth-dimensional sense. My life of shovelling manure non-stop between here and the grave has already taken place.  Either I managed to do that, or I didn't.  MY job, as I see it, is to cleave as strictly as possible to my intended path: to make it match my intention and not to slack off or backslide or allow myself to be corrupted.  "God requireth that which is driven away".  I think that presents the problem for men (and women) of being careful of what they drive away.  Not throwing out the baby with the bathwater requires being able to discern which is which:  what in your life is the baby and what in your life is the bathwater.  No easy task, I don't think.

And moreover, I saw under the sun the place of judgement, wickedness  there; and the place of righteousness, iniquity there. 

If the author of Ecclesiastes is a prophet then I assume that we could take these as scriptural gospel.  If not, a great deal would depend on who the author is, what he saw, the circumstances under which he saw it and whether he has drawn the correct inferences.  In Ezekiel or John's Apocalypse, there is usually an angel or other incarnated being who says, "Behold, under the sun, the place of judgement, wickedness there and the place of righteousness, iniquity there."  Ezekiel and John both infer, as well, personally, elsewhere in their books, but you can usually tell human inference from Revelation in that way:  if its infallible doctrine, an angel will be the one who imparts it or it will be directly attributed to God.

This, to me, reads as pure human inference:

I said in my heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for a time there, for every purpose and for every work.  I said in my heart, concerning the estate of the sons of men that they might clear God and see that they themselves are beasts. For that which befalleth the sons of men, befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other: yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no prominence above a beast; for all is vanity.  All go unto one place, all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

I definitely try not to get above my place -- as I understand it these days -- but even in my own severely limited self-perception I have to say that I've never yet seen any beast shovel manure.  I think that animals basically "enact" with very little in the way of free will.  Yes, like beasts, we die, but while we're alive we have a much wider spectrum of free will choices to pick from, assessments that we need to make, choices we need to choose or not choose and consequences we have to live with.  To me, that separates us, dramatically, from the beasts.  The odds are probably pretty good that "all is vanity" -- that is, all is "in vain" -- but that's up to us.  At the end of the day, none of us will be able to say that we didn't have choices and that we didn't make those choices ourselves.  If you consciously choose vanity and vanities then you won't have much to complain of when you are made to suffer the consequences of that.  "You knew that that thing that you worked to be able to buy was dust, so why didn't you put your time and energies elsewhere? Why actively choose vanity when there's a wide spectrum of non-vain choices? Or, at least, choices that you yourself deem to be non-vain or less vain?" 

We do all return to the dust, but only physically.  There's something there, in man and in beast, a light that goes out at the point of death.  And then we can see only what that man or that beast WASN'T: the inert, "physically left-over" mass.  If that was what they were, they would still be it.

Who knoweth the spirit of the sons of man that is ascending, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?  Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works: for that is his portion; for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

Ecclesiastes is traditionally attributed to Solomon and this certainly reads like a rationale for creating an ostentatious abattoir of a temple with your name on it.  

My question would be:  how do YOU know that the spirit of the sons of man IS ascending OR that the spirit of the beast "goeth downward to the earth"?  In answer to the question: Who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?, as a monotheist, I think John's Apocalypse is the definitive answer to that question.  This is what the End Times of this epoch are going to be like.  I, as a man, have a very limited ability to understand what is being described there, but it does, for me, keep everything in perspective.  All I can do is what I think is right and not do what I think is wrong in the hopes that my life and my spirit and all of my actions find themselves on the right side of the ledger:  not in support of the Beast or Satan or the Harlot but in support of God.

That, I see as my job, my works. 

Next week, God willing:  Habakkuk 3:3!

Best,

Dave
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