I WAS gonna do more "2019 Reread" Cerebus pages, but I worked today, yesterday's post has some kind of traction, and I didn't resize any of the pages to the next issue yet...
Did YOU know Chris Claremont was IN a couple of the X-Men movies?
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| I TOO was "previously unaware"... |
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| Sixteen years of stories means Claremont is intertwined in the DNA of any Cinematic X-Men film... |
So, instead of eight pages of the '82 Tour Book with X-Men content, I have a rough concept of a two page spread that'll get the gist across without anyone having to watch the X-Men flicks while scanning through their Claremont/Byrne/Austin (Terry Austin did the heavy lifting of making John Byrne's work "look-at-able"... (in my not-so humble opinion).).
I'd post where my mock-up is at, but it's very rough. So maybe by next weekend depending on where I get with it.
Anyway, Dave sent stuff I wanna clean off my plate:
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| Why ain't this a "bonus" print on a CAN? |
Okay, I "momented"... (somedays you post crap and hope nobody notices...)
Next Time: Mondays!
Next Time: Mondays!
18 comments:
Terry Austin was indeed an inking powerhouse but i do not believe John Byrne truly needed any assistance making his abilities "look-at-able".
I own both Aliens: Earth Angel and Spider-Man: Chapter One.
John Byrne draws ugly fuckin' comics.
I don't believe he ever hasn't...
Manly
(And that Superman/Batman Elseworlds team-up book he did. If asked to describe John Byrne's art in one word, I think: "goopy"...)
Agreed!!! Also, the Beatles were overrated and Marilyn Monroe was ugly!!!!
I think the noticeable difference in his art becoming "goopy" was when he began illustrating straight to inking, bypassing any pencilling, if it's true (IIRC that was what the guys at my LCS said at the time. I think it was when he was doing WONDER WOMAN or NEW GODS at DC). But I don't think you would find an artist who draws a more imposing and majestic looking Marvel villain than him when it comes to characters like Dr. Doom, Magneto, Galactus, etc.
-Eddie
Here in the UK John Byrne is also the name of a critically acclaimed playwright and artist. Back in the day kids would end up disappointed that they"re not doing Superman and X Men in high school English class afterall. Was it comics John Byrne who came up with the white suit Darth Vader idea? That was pretty goofy
Thanks for taking one for the team Matt, I thought the X Men issue would cause a big delay! I hope Dave is able to get through all fifty pages eventually, sounds like we should be good for a 2027 or 2028 release. It would be cool if there was something big for Cerebus' golden anniversary next year like there will be for Star Wars.
I think the idea is for this to make the fall Patreon cycle, so we might still get the tourbook this year if Dave can sign off on a circa page 50 page version he's happy with. They can use all the extra unapproved material from the 200 page edition for higher tier rewards or something
But Todd McFarlane is an iconic Spider-Man artist and some of the Peter Parker faces in adjectiveless Spider-Man are butt ugly or very goofy (compensated I suppose by having MJ be a big boobed supermodel). The good outweighs the bad. Byrne's art in Man of Steel still holds up.
Lots of artists fall off anyway. Look at the variant covers Frank Miller sometimes produces for Batman or the like. He's full DK2 style these days, which is sad. Inking straight to paper is crazy even in a medium that gave us the Marvel method!
For me personally, John Byrne was THE comic book artist of the 80s. I base this on his artistic abilities but also the large body of works/materials he put out. Many could rightfully debate that Art Adams or Mike Zeck (as quick examples) were just as good, or perhaps better. They also probably didnt put out 10% of Byrnes work. Long, legendary runs on X-Men, Fantastic Four and Superman. Byrne dominated the bookend eras between the Kirbys, Neal Adams and the McFarlanes, Jim Lees
I liked Byrne's work on Rog 2000 and Doomsday +1, wasn't reading any of the later Marvel or DC books he (....or anyone else, for that matter....) worked on.
Steve
Great news about the X Men roadblock, but what about Dave's idea of using wedding photos of 80s comics women? Not sure it’s a good idea or even legal - or feasible? Got to say when you say pre-186 Dave Sim and women most people think of the rock star Dave who was getting more pussy than Alan Moore and Rob Liefeld combined. I mean guys aren't even that fussed about *Spider-Man's* wedding. Not sure the average female bookstore browser, with zero interest in comics, is going to buy a book just because there's a picture of Colleen Doran or whoever's nuptials.
On a Web site dedicated to Dave Sim, someone calls John Byrne "the" comics artist of the 80s?
Tony, my reply to your question is....ABSOLUTELY!!! Its my opinion and I believe it. Dave Sim is also an absolute comic artist legend to me. He's one of my all time favorites. But does that mean nobody else can be as good or debatable better?
Some people would call Margaret Thatcher the politician of the 80s and Duran Duran the artist of the 80s - i.e. the one who sums up and responds to the spirit of the age. It's not necessarily a compliment 😉
Fair enough, to both comments! I suppose if I were to pick a non-Dave comic artist for "the" comic artist of the 80s, I'd probably go with Gilbert Hernandez. (In the "compliment" sense.)
Good choice! I can imagine Norman Mailer taking (intellectual) offence at being described as "the writer of the sixties" (and the other decades don't count?). Hell I might be tempted to nominate Jim Aparo as the artist of the 80s (in a good way!) but he was around way before then. I think you could make a decent case for Frank Miller. Iconic characters *and* multiple entries in the respectable graphic novels category. I think Watchmen is definitely the graphic novel of the 80s.
Yeah, a there's a strong case for Miller, in the "captured the "zeitgeist" (sp?) of the era" sense. I never cared for his stuff, personally, but he definitely is a leading candidate for "comics artist of the decade" for the 1980s.
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