Still at sixes and sevens, trying to figure out how all this shakes out long term.
In the short term, I'm just going to do more writing here at AMOC, hopefully, on a weekly basis the day before Rolly comes in so he can e-mail it to Matt.
Read the WALT KELLY (1969) section of SPARRING WITH GIL KANE. I'm not sure how much more of the book I'm going to read. The "here's what this is presenting itself as" and "here's what I think I'm actually reading" is jarring and not edifying in the way that, say, John's Gospel and the Koran are edifying.
Interesting? Um, interesting but not in a way you would get from the contextualizing of it. Kelly is being interviewed by Gil Kane at a National Cartoonists Society function. In this case, the missing information is that Kelly's POGO animated special has tanked ("the voices were good") not long before that and Kelly is definitely in "Is That All There Is?" mode. This was supposed to be a triumphal appearance as the POGO animated special carried him to new and undreamt-of heights. I always think of Roy Orbison's signature line as one of the Travelling Willburys "I still have some love to give" just before he died. Then George Harrison died and now the Travelling Willburys are…Jeff Lynne (sp?) and Tom Petty (deceased?). New and undreamt-of heights don't happen in your sixties (or fifties or forties, usually), but it's a very common syndrome. The more successful you WERE, the more susceptible you ARE to "Is That All There Is?"
[I'm very happy that I got to bypass that because I never really WAS successful even in the context of what Gil called comics' "small fame" even before I was demoted to non-human/sub-human in 1994 when issue 186 came out. One fifth the popularity of ELFQUEST, One tenth the popularity of the TURTLES. One-one hundredth the popularity of SPAWN. I never arrived AT "Is That All There Is?" because that's where I've always lived. Yes. This is all that there is or ever will be in this vale of tears. IT'S A GOOD LIFE IF YOU DON'T WEAKEN, as Seth put it.]
Kelly had been drinking and was belligerent. He had roughly four years left to live (he died while I was at the Detroit Triple Fan Fair in October of 1973 where I interviewed BWS, Mike Kaluta and Russ Heath). He would die of diabetic complications, so the fact that he was drinking at all let alone to the point of inebriation is a very bad vital sign. By 1969, A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS (1965) was already becoming the cartooning success gold standard and clearly Kelly was hoping to match or exceed that -- partly riding the coattails of that Hollywood success ("Okay, what's LIKE Peanuts?" leading naturally to POGO) and hoping that his best days were still before him.
[Which they weren't in those frames of reference but they were in terms of cartooning brilliance. I didn't read POGO until Watergate when I was reading it in my Dad's Globe & Mail. It was extremely toxic and bitter with Spiro Agnew as a jackal and J. Edgar Hoover as a bulldog. It was hard to tell which was more darkly brilliant -- the writing or the art. And that was still in the future, that work wouldn't be done until Walt Kelly was officially dying. The NCS -- and Gil Kane as an eloquent spokesperson -- is trying to pay tribute to the fact that Kelly is in That Cartooning Pantheon. And Kelly is having none of it. He's bristling at the Lifetime Achievement Award quality of it. Which everyone does who gets to that point. "But, I'm not DONE yet!". It's a Denial phase thing. Another aspect of "Is That All There Is?" "Let's talk about your work at Disney in the classic animation days." It was plainly galling to him. By NOW, POGO should have been the next Mickey Mouse and he the next Walt Disney. He shouldn't still be eclipsed by Disney's cultural radiance. In those frames of reference, yes, it was all over for Walt Kelly and had been since the mid-1950s with the first POGO comic-strip collections. You don't become the next Walt Disney in your sixties.]
Technically, A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS is a piece of garbage. It makes THE FLINTSTONES look like SNOW WHITE.
TECHNICALLY. But that's really the source of its success. The reason it got made when so many things aren't. It cost nickels and dimes to put together because the strip itself is complete minimalism. TECHNICALLY, there's nothing to it. Front view, side view, close-up, wide shot, WAY too long musical numbers which just repeat the same stock images. But, it's A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS. Skyer no higher. Schulz insisted that the Luke chapter 3 "For, lo, I bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the City of David, a saviour which is Christ the Lord…" be kept in. FOUGHT for it. You're getting a scalp rush, right? THAT's why it's the gold standard.
Kelly would die in his 60s shuttling between his home base and Hollywood. It would be a stretch to say A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS killed him but only in the sense that "Elvis died when he went into the army" and "John Lennon died when he met Yoko Ono" are a stretch. I'd call it "cruel but fair". An inability to see that A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS was a Once In a Millennium Thing for a cartoonist. Schulz had no idea he would never be that successful with anything again. It was SO "thrown together". Just imagine what we could do with a Major Hollywood Budget!! Answer: Met Life commercials. Is That All There Is? Sorry, "Sparky" -- yes, A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS will prove to be "it". SNOOPY COME HOME is just SNOOPY COME HOME. Met Life commercials are just Met Life commercials.
Anyway, back at the NCS meeting…
Kelly starts doing a riff on having two girlfriends and his wife finding out and chaining him to his drawing board. Which I think is why Rube Goldberg "chimes in" (as the book puts it) from the audience. It's either Goldberg's last NCS meeting or one of them. He's 86 and will be dead before Christmas of the following year. I think that what happened was that Goldberg realized "Oh my god, he's doing me." Which is an extremely eerie moment because Goldberg in 1945-46 -- when Goldberg basically created the National Cartoonists Society -- had been the age that Kelly is in 1969. i.e. early 60s. i.e. a little younger than I am right now. It's as if I'm frozen in this…50-year-old tableaux where only Goldberg and I know what's going on. Not a fun reading experience, And everyone else is washing out to a sepia tone and the sound quality is going tinny. "Uh, Rube, Gil Kane's supposed to be interviewing him. You're not supposed to interrupt". Goldberg can't save Kelly from his place in the audience but he can at least try to contextualize things for him. Try for some sort of ameliorating gloss in this Nightmarish Cringeworthy Moment. I'm here, Walt. I know what you're trying to do, but It isn't 1946 any more, Walt. We don't DO that anymore. Don't DO this to YOURSELF.
There IS a place for this, is what Kelly is obviously wrestling with through an alcoholic fog, listening to Gil Kane's smooth-as-oil intellectualisms. Yes, I want these nice things said about my work. Yes, I want my work discussed in these superlative terms this nice young man -- whoever he is -- is using. Maybe in THE ATLANTIC or TIME magazine. Like Milt Caniff and Al Capp used to get. Like Charles Schulz is getting now. But, that's there. i.e. the imagined Walt Disney moment when it finally all comes together. The Academy Awards. The Tonight Show. The Emmys. Here, in a squalid hotel meeting room in Somewhere, Connecticut I'm supposed to be cracking everyone up as a former NCS president. I don't even know who three-quarters of these people are.
"Like I used to do".
Yes, Rube. Like you used to do. What happened, Rube? Where did it all go? This used to be so much…fun. IS THAT ALL THERE IS?
I'm here, Walt. Think of the great cartooning and illustration names you most admired. We may be the only two in the room who know who we're talking about, but WE do know who we're talking about. And that's important. WE remember.
It ISN'T important. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi shouldn't surprise you in your sixties. If it does, you're Doing It wrong.
Goldberg was financially independent before he became a cartoonist because of his father's money. His father was a land speculator and…everyone is completely euphemistic in the comics field about these things…either a loan shark or a Shylock or just a loan officer. It's always hard to tell if it's an anti-Semitic pig with lipstick on or genuine anti-Semitism. Or -- self-evident truth of Goldberg's father's generation -- look, Jews have to make money, too, in the 19th century USA and there aren't many doors open to us. Call it what you will, non-stupid Jews are always just getting ready to survive the next pogrom. And the next pogrom is always just up ahead where and when you least expect it. Don't kid yourself. And don't try to kid me.
So Goldberg, was insulated by that, by his father's money, always just did whatever took his fancy and I think he started the NCS as a vehicle for himself because he had been a Vaudevillian comic temporarily and what was then called a toastmaster (and still is if you're on that circuit). He probably wasn't good enough to make a living at it at a high elevation, but as I say he didn't need to. I think what he thought was, "I know all these guys. They're good guys. Anti-Semites but not anything out of the ordinary with any bunch of goys in the 1940s. A little less now that the concentration camps have been liberated. That's probably just temporary. But! Some of them are very funny because they make a living being funny. I'M funny. Funnier than most of them. Why don't I start a Cartoonists' Club? We can rent a room somewhere, bring in some dancing girls, a cash bar, a buffet table and basically spend two or three nights a year getting corked and cracking each other up." And, by all reliable reports, that's what happened. It was just a big piss-up social-club thing and -- no big surprise -- Rube Goldberg got elected its first president. In no small part, I'm sure, because he was the quickest and funniest of them all. It's one thing to be funny on paper. It's another thing to be funny on a Vaudeville stage or at a banquet head table when the hoots and the catcalls are always just around the corner and when everyone is already three sheets to the wind. Good ol' Rube. A credit to his race. One funny Kike, I'll tell the world. Picture facing that intentionally and coming out of it in one piece. For Rube Goldberg it was "This isn't nearly as pressure packed as an actual Vaudeville stage. This is fun."
The thing was most of the NCS were "also-rans". They were wealthy to varying degrees and they had however many subscribing newspapers they had to make them middle class or upper middle class but they were all "running ahead of the freight train". Year after year after year: trying to stay 12 weeks ahead of publication date. No time off, no vacations, just work, work, work, work. Dreaming of the animation or movie deal that would make them wealthy enough to hire someone else to draw their strip so all they needed to do was drink, eat and play golf. At the NCS meetings without their wives (as opposed to the NCS banquets with their wives) they Blew Off Some Major Steam. The NCS Newsletters (which I've read a lot of courtesy of the Billy Ireland Library at Ohio State University and Eddie Khanna's generosity in getting everything photocopied and mailed to me-- Milt Caniff saved EVERYTHING and his widow donated EVERYTHING) are like mimeographed Shriner's newsletters, embarrassingly badly written and concerned with suburban trivia and Family Newspaper-style salaciousness. Could everyone please pay their dues? Just a reminder that you need to pay for the banquet ahead of time and it's $5. Please send your check to Marge Devine ASAP. The Major Cartoonists are underrepresented because, basically, they won. They were actually known by the general public. They actually were wealthy and did hire people to do their work for them. Except Schulz. Key point. They didn't need to go to an NCS meeting with a bunch of drunks to be a Famous Cartoonist (capital F capital C). They WERE Famous Cartoonists. Every one of them a fraction of what Charles Schulz and PEANUTS were. Bigger and smaller fractions, but everyone outside of Schulz a fraction.
Except at the non-wife meetings themselves which had their own social chemistry and where everyone was a Famous Cartoonist. Where Rube Goldberg shone, year after year for at least the first decade of the NCS's existence, with exactly the kind of story Kelly was trying to tell about having two girlfriends on the sly and was clearly just making a mess of.
And Goldberg, as I say, being 86 at that point and obviously not drinking to the point of inebriation -- if at all -- has also bypassed the "Is That All There Is?" trauma Kelly is clearly enduring. He's a) still wealthy and b) in the dictionary. Goldberg, Rube (1883-1970) U.S. cartoonist; full name Reuben Lucius Goldberg. As creator of the comic strip characters Professor Lucifer Gorgonzola Butts (and inventor of complex mechanical devices to achieve simple tasks), Boob McNutt, and Lala Palooza, he satirized American folkways and modern technology.
However, even there, comics scholarship was catching up with him. Bill Blackbeard's comments in Maurice Horn's THE WORLD ENCYCLOPEDIA OF COMICS which would be published in 1976 had obviously been circulating for some time:
His foolishly complicated inventions which gained him dictionary-entry (for "Rube Goldberg contraption" etc.) appealed to the same broad audience base, even though it was not his unique idea. W. Heath Robinson had developed fanciful inventions of his own in various cartoon series for English magazines and newspapers in the 1910s, while the American strip cartoonist, Clare Victor Dwiggins, introduced devices very similar to those of Goldberg's in a New York World Sunday page called School Days of the 1900s, which Goldberg must have read before he ever drew any of his own comic contraptions, since his early Mike and Ike ran in the same comic section. A curious case of a strip cartoonist better known than any of his characters (except possibly Mike and Ike).
But, at age 86, really, what was the difference? And 50 years later, what's the difference? Everyone knows what Rube Goldberg contraption means. There is absolutely no danger of that becoming a W. Heath Robinson contraption or a Clare Victor Dwiggins contraption by popular consent at this late date.
Eisner made the acquaintance of New York
Sun editorial cartoonist Rube Goldberg…
he was sitting in a chair off by himself, one
hand tightly gripping his cane…Goldberg
said, "The Spirit, what kind of thing is that?"
"Well, it's different than the daily strips,
Eisner said. "I believe the medium is an
art form and that there is tremendous
opportunity for literary potential in the
field."
Goldberg looked at Eisner, banged his
cane down, and shook his head in
disgust.
"Bullshit, boy!" he said. "You are a vaudevillian
like the rest of us. It's just vaudeville,
just plain vaudeville; don't ever forget that ."
A SPIRITED LIFE p. 168
"Will took me to my first NCS meeting," Jules
Feiffer recalled, "and I heard my first argument
about whether to admit women. Rube Goldberg
didn't want women admitted because you couldn't
say 'fuck' in front of them. Alex Raymond was the
only one who stood up for admitting Hilda Terry
("Teena"). I don't remember Will saying a word."
A SPIRITED LIFE p. 169
More soon, God willing!
Dave
Monday, 25 November 2024
I MAY have posted part of this, but some of it is ALL NEW (and all different)...
Sunday, 24 November 2024
Mrs. Greenlee (New Art by Dave!)
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Saturday, 23 November 2024
80s Earthpig Warrior! (AMOC A/V Club) +Turtles 8 notes from NOT Dave
Friday, 22 November 2024
Grover Cleveland is back in the news (Dave's weekly update #566)
- Saturday: I celebrate seven years of doing this $#!*. Seven loooooonnngg years...
- Sunday: I celebrate thirteen years since Tim founded the place.
- Monday: The Monday Report, and up the page count on the 2019 re-read posts to 7.
- Tuesday: Jen lets us know where we are with the Strange Death of Alex Raymond GoFundMe. A new page unlocked, AND a new ashcan! $200 until page 106 unlocks.
- Wednesday: Hobbs has an evil twin?
- Wednesday later: Steve Peters was in the final 24 hours of his Sparky Kickstarter, and things were getting interesting...
- Thursday: Margaret continues looking at pages from the first Notebook AKA Albatross 1, YOU can get your very own BETTER-THAN-MARGARET'S-POSTS-O.-M.-G.-YOU-GUYS-SERIOUSLY copy. See here. She's still looking through the pre-material for issue #27.
- Friday: that's this post. You're reading the Friday post right now. This is STILL like that bit in Spaceballs. (Should I link to LAST WEEK'S Update in these things?)
Thursday, 21 November 2024
Notebook One: Cerebus #27 Part Five
Maybe instead of rewriting this opener every week, I’ll be a bit more efficient with my use of time and have this standard opening . . .though Boss Man saying I'm giving the notebook away for free, I see it as a way of advertising all the good stuff in the notebook, and wouldn't it be easier to have a hard copy to flip through and read at your own leisure?
Have you got your copy of Albatross One? That is Dave Sim’s name for his first notebook used in the creation of Cerebus. If you want a copy of the notebook – and trust me, as someone who has held the actual Albatross One, it is a pretty close duplicate and looks great – you can check out this post right here. Well not this post. The one at this link. Go check it out, this post will still be here.
Please buy one so boss man stops yelling at me for "giving the store away for free". Perhaps if he sells one or two or all that he has left, he'll finally give me some PTO. Wait, why am I pushing this, boss man is on vacation. . .I should just take off. . .
And if you don’t want to buy one, you can wait as I release a couple of pages a week and check them out using the Notebook One tag. But trust me, the notebook is much much nicer then my silly little posts.
Okay, now that is done, on with this week’s Notebook One post.
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In our sequential journey through the pages of Dave Sim’s first notebook, we last saw pages #160 & 161 last week, and we already saw pages 162 & 163 back in 2019. Those pages showed the first looks at the McGrew Brothers and items from Cerebus #27. And unsurprisingly, Dave continues with Cerebus #27 material on page 164:
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| Notebook #1, page 164 |
This page has more meat on the bone so to speak, with a page-by-page plot outline for Cerebus #27 and as Dave said in the AV version of High Society, this “Page by page continuity, pretty close to what I went with.” There is some McGrew Brothers dialogue down the bottom right of the page along with where they are from.
The next page of the notebook is where, as Dave says, he is “fleshing out the continuity”:
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| Notebook #1, page 165 |
In this fleshing out page, we see the McGrew brothers names for the first time: Dirty Armand? No, cross that out, Dirty Fleagle McGrew and his brother Dirty Drew. Armand? I can see why Dave crossed that out.
This fleshing out of the continuity on though page 166 of the notebook:
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| Notebook #1, page 166 |
Dave had this to say about page 166: “Stray thoughts, usually going in the direction of ‘over-plotting’ all of which needed to be thinned out. Occasionally, I’d come up with a finished gag in the notebook (‘You SIGNED the ransom note’) but most of the time I’d come up with finished dialogue on the page while I was laying it out and penciling it.”
Wednesday, 20 November 2024
Breaking NEWS!
First of all, thanks everyone for getting the project to, and past the goal! The first attempt came to just over $1500, so I figured if I made the goal $1000, Sparky would have a pretty good chance this time. Congratulations to Philip Frey -- on Please Hold with Dave Sim, Dave announced that the person who got the project over the finish line would get the original art for a new Jack Kirby-style Silver Surfer Sparky inked by Dave (inspired by Matt Dow's inking of Sparky over Jack's Silver Surfer pencils -- congrats to Philip on claiming the original for that as well, as an add-on reward).
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| Dave, it's "Sparky: Cosmic Delinquent" So his hat HAS to mean Make the Cosmos Great Again... |
It might be too late, but what the heck, I'm going to add a couple of stretch goals. Last year, Sparky's first Kickstarter made over $2000, and had 13 more backers than the current one, so the little guy could very well make it.
STRETCH GOAL #1: If we can get to $2000, I will run Dave Sim's Jack Kirby-style Silver Surfer Sparky in the Signed Variant version. Note that it will NOT appear in the unsigned version, as I've already had those printed up! The regular version, the unsigned Dave Sim variant, and the signed Sim variant will all have differences. The main difference for the unsigned Sim variant is that Dave's and my 8-page collaboration appears first, starting right on the inside cover. On the others, the main Sparky story comes first. I will also throw my hat into the ring and do my OWN Jack Kirby-penciled Silver Surfer-as-Sparky (maybe I'll find a different image to try?) for the signed variant. Currently, there are 10 signed variants up for grabs; if they all sold, this could get us VERY close to the stretch goal. I will also include a small piece of art for anyone who adds a bonus donation or picks up an add-on (and if there's any add-on I can offer that will entice, please let me know!). Finally, the LARGEST pledge made between now and the end will get a Comicverse sketch cover custom drawn for you!
STRETCH GOAL #2: If we can make it to $2,311 (which is what the first Sparky Kickstarter got to last year), we'll give a little something extra to all backers. That should be enough to pay a few more artists to do some more sketches (or perhaps some of the same ones to do some more drawings) for the signed Sim variant. But if you're not one of the signed variant backers, you won't miss out! I'll make a very limited-edition mini comic that will have the new art that you're missing. And just to spread the love around, any digital backers will get a few bonus digital rewards from the list.
Will the real Benjamin Hobbs PLEASE stand up
Benjamin Hobbs:
I received a new message on the Akimbo/CAN 10 Kickstarter today. The person wanted to know if I had been hitting them up on Twitter (or X, if you're staying current) for money in exchange for crowdfunding advising. I haven't been on Twitter since it WAS Twitter.
The fake profile is @HobbsBenja72296
It utilizes my profile information from Kickstarter, and it looks like this:
I'm in the process of reporting this profile to Twitter, but in the meantime, if they message you looking for money, please report them as a scam.
My actual Twitter is @TheREALBenjami5
Although I'm very rarely on there.
Next Week: Who has time to write a column? Now that I'm logged back into Twitter, I'll be scrolling endlessly.
Tuesday, 19 November 2024
SDoAR 2.46: Another Page Unlocked! Giant-Size Ashcan #4 Unlocked!
Holy cow.
Not only did we just unlock another page, but we unlocked another Giant-Size Ashcan!
In other words, $16,000 raised in 22+ months from 270 donations, resulting in 84 new unlocked pages atop the 21 mockups we launched with, and four Giant-Size Ashcans that Philip, Dave and I now need to finish.
Way to go, everyone!
Next stop, $20,000!
Just the GoFundMe Facts, Ma'am
- $16,000.00 raised to date from 270 donations
- 84 new pages released as mocked up by Dave Sim from 11 June to 29 December 2021
- 105 total pages available on Dropbox, including Dave's 2019 mocked-up pages
- $200.00 away from unlocking page 106
- If you have not donated > $5+ donation grants access to all 105 pages and all pages moving forward
- If you have donated, thank you, but if you want to donate monthly, GoFundMe does not offer that option, so please do so as we are just past the middle of month #11 of Year 2.
The Strange Death of Alex Raymond Preview, Part 45
The following are links to previous updates that featured pages from The Strange Death of Alex Raymond hardcover. If you click on the links in order, you can begin to devour the magnum opus that is the Strange Death of Alex Raymond...Jen x
SDOAR GoFundMe -->> https://www.gofundme.com/f/sdoar-2023 <<-- SDOAR GoFundMe
































