Fully funded, there is interest from you lovely ladies and gentlemen for a Slipcase like High Society had. L.O.A.S.S. member "Spatula" is our point man, and he reports: The Waverly Press is "considering slipcases for both hardcover and softcover books. It would be a sturdy printed slipcase with the same wraparound art found on the softcover book, except free of any text." More updates as "Spatula" reports them...
Hi everyone. We're halfway through the counting and we feel like some explanation may be needed regarding the numbering system used for POT8. First of all, most backers have been moved to a lower number. There were backers that were dropped by Kickstarter for non-payment as well as a few that canceled their pledge before the campaign ended. In these cases the backers took their place in line with them, so everyone after them moves down, but this doesn't necessarily mean a lower number in the print run. Because we offer backers the chance to buy multiple copies, one backer may own several sequential numbers and the backer following them will get the next number in line. For this campaign, backer #1 bought 10 copies of POT8, copies 1-10. Backer number two bought two copies and since he was next in line he gets copies 11 & 12. We will share the exact number of orders on the back cover of each issue sent out. (Currently - until the final math is calculated - there are around 300-350 copies for 158 backers.)
For those that requested the Canadian version of POT8, there are none available.
The 8 backers that did not fill out their survey were contacted and asked to confirm their mailing address. This is why we and other campaigns harp on the surveys so much. Besides helping us to get your order exactly right it is your chance to update your mailing address. The address you previously used is available, but if you had a change and didn't update your account, the survey will remind you one more time.
POT8 No. 2 is in progress. There is no release date at the moment. We've discussed a much more streamlined campaign next time with all items in place at the beginning of the campaign with no additional Add-Ons or Stretch Goals. The idea is to get as many copies of Pieces of Turtles 8 done before the end of the year. The reality of how Kickstarter campaigns work and the fact that even fast ones take longer than you ever plan for means there will most likely be one more issue, but two more if we can make it happen. Stay tuned.
Ok, everyone, we're off to finish the processing and we'll be back as soon as possible to let you know when the books go to press.
Man...I KNEW I shoulda hung on to a second Canadian PoT8...
Oliver's Cerebus movie: The Absurd, Surreal, Metaphysical, and Fractured Destiny of Cerebus the Aardvark is currently available "Plex", "Xumo", "Vimeo On Demand", "Tubi".
Tell your fans! Remind them that everything will be up to 35% off -- that means $13 tees, $20 phone cases, $30 hoodies, and way more!
Next Time: I gotta 'nother pile of Faxes from Dave...
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Why ain’t Dave ever want to publish a “collected essays” book. Any chance of crowdfunding that? Annoying that I have to read either the floppies or print-outs of “Why Canada Slept” and the Islam one and the Hemingway one etc when a nice book would be great. And he can edit them or update them etc. I will be forever bummed he says he won’t publish his exegesis commentaries but the essays there should be nice prose. I mean, it’s genius level insight.
I'd purchase a new set of Collected Letters if one is ever offered again. I think the last one I have is from 2006, digital from a number of years ago.
Re, the Heritage Auctions CGC #1, currently over $1500 (nearly $2K with premium), interest in Cerebus # 1 continues to be surprisingly strong.
I wonder: is the interest more from investor's buying, fan's buying, or just what. There's a valid point to be made that as a whole, interest in Cerebus seems to be pretty steadily declining, but sales on original #1's continue to go up.
Maybe Overstreet has something to do with it, Steve? I dunno. Here’s a Weekly Update in which Dave reads off the top Bronze Age comics of all time. https://youtu.be/jC0cxB5FYSQ
I took a look at that copy of #1. I wouldn't pay $1,500 for it, but somebody will. It makes me wish I had waited a while. I had a CGC 9.0 #1 and sold it for $2,000 a couple of years ago. Maybe it's the CGC encapsulation because that has become almost necessary if you hope to sell for higher prices these days. When was the last time you saw any classic comics up for auctions that weren't slabbed by CGC? I've still got a small stack of Cerebus CGC issues but that really aren't worth anything to me in the case and they take up too much room unless you plan to dedicate a room in your house to them. I'll probably sell them at some point just to get that stack of plastic off the top of my shelf.
The classic comics market is through the roof. It started surging in 2020 and shows no sign of slowing down. A lot of it is fans reaching adulthood and having disposable income and then being stuck in the house for 2 years with nothing to do but order things online. Over time the Golden Age (and now Bronze Age) comics will get harder to find in good condition. I can imagine a day when only museums and billionaires will own a copy of Action Comics #1. It's kind of there, already.
Another oddity I've noticed is that artists that are currently hot will outsell the legends when it comes to original comic book art. Would you pay $100,000 for an Ethan Van Sciver page or $8,000 for a Dave Sim page? Somebody went with Van Sciver, and more than once. Whoever spent that money is not going to let that art go for less than they paid unless they are desperate. This drives up the price of everything. (These numbers are speculation, I don't know if any Van Sciver art sold for six figures. If it did then someone has way more dollars than sense.)
Speculation is still around and a lot of people are paying ridiculous prices for rare variants on eBay when they are new. Those rare variants are now selling for less than half what they did during the rush to "invest". A lot of people are going to be sitting on a lot of comics for a long time.
Inflation. Even back issues of Cerebus In Hell? are commanding higher prices than they should at this point. Sure, there's less than 2,000 copies of most issues, but they shouldn't be rare just yet.
Digital. The more digital comics come out, the more the meat space comics will become rare and valuable. I hope there will always be physical comics, but paper, printing and shipping costs may price a lot of people out, so they'll go online. At first I was against this because of the bootlegging of comics. Carson Grubaugh made the argument that eventually, the average comic collector won't be able to afford real comics so if 1,000s of people have digital copies and they will survive for the masses. I've been collecting a digital archive of my own ever since.
The Heritage #1 closed at $3360, which includes the 20% piracy rate Heritage charges.
Sir Birdsong, I certainly agree with your observations in respect to the change in the hobby with slabbing comics. I own a bit over 100 CGC'd titles and the great majority of them I've had slabbed so that, if I keel over dead, my estate / wife / heirs have a fighting chance of getting top dollar for them. And similarly, if I choose to sell, I can get top dollar as well.
Overstreet is so far off on valuations, I'm honestly not sure what's it's currently used for. Estimates and guestimates, I suppose. I do completed auction results on eBay and Heritage when I'm looking up values; for some odd reason I can't figure out how to do this on ComicLink as well
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Why ain’t Dave ever want to publish a “collected essays” book. Any chance of crowdfunding that? Annoying that I have to read either the floppies or print-outs of “Why Canada Slept” and the Islam one and the Hemingway one etc when a nice book would be great. And he can edit them or update them etc. I will be forever bummed he says he won’t publish his exegesis commentaries but the essays there should be nice prose. I mean, it’s genius level insight.
I'd purchase a new set of Collected Letters if one is ever offered again. I think the last one I have is from 2006, digital from a number of years ago.
cheers,
A Fake Name
Re, the Heritage Auctions CGC #1, currently over $1500 (nearly $2K with premium), interest in Cerebus # 1 continues to be surprisingly strong.
I wonder: is the interest more from investor's buying, fan's buying, or just what. There's a valid point to be made that as a whole, interest in Cerebus seems to be pretty steadily declining, but sales on original #1's continue to go up.
Any ideas, other AMOC'ers out there?
Steve
Maybe Overstreet has something to do with it, Steve? I dunno. Here’s a Weekly Update in which Dave reads off the top Bronze Age comics of all time. https://youtu.be/jC0cxB5FYSQ
I took a look at that copy of #1. I wouldn't pay $1,500 for it, but somebody will. It makes me wish I had waited a while. I had a CGC 9.0 #1 and sold it for $2,000 a couple of years ago. Maybe it's the CGC encapsulation because that has become almost necessary if you hope to sell for higher prices these days. When was the last time you saw any classic comics up for auctions that weren't slabbed by CGC? I've still got a small stack of Cerebus CGC issues but that really aren't worth anything to me in the case and they take up too much room unless you plan to dedicate a room in your house to them. I'll probably sell them at some point just to get that stack of plastic off the top of my shelf.
The classic comics market is through the roof. It started surging in 2020 and shows no sign of slowing down. A lot of it is fans reaching adulthood and having disposable income and then being stuck in the house for 2 years with nothing to do but order things online. Over time the Golden Age (and now Bronze Age) comics will get harder to find in good condition. I can imagine a day when only museums and billionaires will own a copy of Action Comics #1. It's kind of there, already.
Another oddity I've noticed is that artists that are currently hot will outsell the legends when it comes to original comic book art. Would you pay $100,000 for an Ethan Van Sciver page or $8,000 for a Dave Sim page? Somebody went with Van Sciver, and more than once. Whoever spent that money is not going to let that art go for less than they paid unless they are desperate. This drives up the price of everything. (These numbers are speculation, I don't know if any Van Sciver art sold for six figures. If it did then someone has way more dollars than sense.)
Speculation is still around and a lot of people are paying ridiculous prices for rare variants on eBay when they are new. Those rare variants are now selling for less than half what they did during the rush to "invest". A lot of people are going to be sitting on a lot of comics for a long time.
Inflation. Even back issues of Cerebus In Hell? are commanding higher prices than they should at this point. Sure, there's less than 2,000 copies of most issues, but they shouldn't be rare just yet.
Digital. The more digital comics come out, the more the meat space comics will become rare and valuable. I hope there will always be physical comics, but paper, printing and shipping costs may price a lot of people out, so they'll go online. At first I was against this because of the bootlegging of comics. Carson Grubaugh made the argument that eventually, the average comic collector won't be able to afford real comics so if 1,000s of people have digital copies and they will survive for the masses. I've been collecting a digital archive of my own ever since.
The Heritage #1 closed at $3360, which includes the 20% piracy rate Heritage charges.
Sir Birdsong, I certainly agree with your observations in respect to the change in the hobby with slabbing comics. I own a bit over 100 CGC'd titles and the great majority of them I've had slabbed so that, if I keel over dead, my estate / wife / heirs have a fighting chance of getting top dollar for them. And similarly, if I choose to sell, I can get top dollar as well.
Overstreet is so far off on valuations, I'm honestly not sure what's it's currently used for. Estimates and guestimates, I suppose. I do completed auction results on eBay and Heritage when I'm looking up values; for some odd reason I can't figure out how to do this on ComicLink as well
Steve
9.4 CEREBUS #1 went for close to $30,000 on Comiclink several months back IIRC.
-Eddie
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